510 Lower Guard

vzandt · Post by **vzandt** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:27 pm

I just picked up most of the items to upgrade my 500 to a 510 model. I have everything under control now but the lower saw guard. I had a 510 lower guard portion (I thought) that was designated to use as a sanding dust collector. It appears to be a 510 lower guard missing only the spring loaded portion next to the headstock, and the hardware to attach the upper guard. I ordered the Guard Lock Plate and associated hardware, but I found a problem. The plate is almost a perfect fit, but the hole in the guard seems a little too far back (although centered in the starshaped knob it passes through). The result is that the lock plate hits the rear edge of the guard and when in position, the blot will not pass through both holes. I thought to grind the plate down a 1/8 inch or so, but then there is not enought clearance for the upper guard sopport to fit between the blot and the rear edge of the guard housing. Am I missing something?
Scott\

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:44 pm

I would jump in here and attempt to answer your questions but I already know that answering 500 questions can get you in trouble if you have never worked on a 500.

So...I will just welcome you and your questions and wait for someone else who has the appropriate experience to answer.

Love the sight of those mountains in you avatar and profile photo. Looks like a touch of God's Country......EXCEPT..that looks like snow.

vzandt · Post by **vzandt** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:34 pm

dusty wrote:I would jump in here and attempt to answer your questions but I already know that answering 500 questions can get you in trouble if you have never worked on a 500.

So...I will just welcome you and your questions and wait for someone else who has the appropriate experience to answer.

Love the sight of those mountains in you avatar and profile photo. Looks like a touch of God's Country......EXCEPT..that looks like snow.

Thanks Dusty,
I have updated the previous message with photos. The photo in the avatar is in Yukon Terr. Canada near Skagway AK.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:27 pm

vzandt wrote:I just picked up most of the items to upgrade my 500 to a 510 model. I have everything under control now but the lower saw guard. I had a 510 lower guard portion (I thought) that was designated to use as a sanding dust collector. It appears to be a 510 lower guard missing only the spring loaded portion next to the headstock, and the hardware to attach the upper guard. I ordered the Guard Lock Plate and associated hardware, but I found a problem. The plate is almost a perfect fit, but the hole in the guard seems a little too far back (although centered in the starshaped knob it passes through). The result is that the lock plate hits the rear edge of the guard and when in position, the blot will not pass through both holes. I thought to grind the plate down a 1/8 inch or so, but then there is not enought clearance for the upper guard sopport to fit between the blot and the rear edge of the guard housing. Am I missing something?
Scott\

I can readily see why your splitter does not fit into the lower saw guard. Your splitter would work in my guard and I think the difference must be one of vintage.

I have some photos that I believe will show you the difference(s). Notice that you are trying to fit the tongue of the splitter into the corner of a 90 degree corner angle. Mine is flat. Also, I have two roll pins in mine the position the splitter vertically where you simply have two open holes.

If the angle wasn't there or if you trimmed some material off of side of the tongue, you could make your splitter work.

ADDED COMMENT: I reviewing this post and comparing your guard to mine I noticed that at one time my guard might have had that ninety degree angle piece but it has been milled off. The area that I am talking about appears to end just below the tongue on the splitter. RE: second, third and fourth pictures. Just barely cutoff on fifth picture. If you need clarification, I'll take a couple pictures that will more clearly describe my gibberish.

View the photos and if they don't explain the differences repost your questions. We can make this work.

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billmayo · Post by **billmayo** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:48 pm

The 500 disk sander dust chute (#555167) appears to be what you have. It looks similar to the 510/520 lower saw guard.

vzandt · Post by **vzandt** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:43 pm

Yes Bill,
It is the disk sander dust chute, but I thought it was the same as the 510 lower guard. The holes and everything are there to mount the splitter, Just an extra tab of material. I think Dusty may be onto something and if I mill that little tongue off, I think the thing will fit together.
Scott

billmayo wrote:The 500 disk sander dust chute (#555167) appears to be what you have. It looks similar to the 510/520 lower saw guard.

vzandt · Post by **vzandt** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:08 am

[quote="dusty"]I can readily see why your splitter does not fit into the lower saw guard. Your splitter would work in my guard and I think the difference must be one of vintage.

I have some photos that I believe will show you the difference(s). Notice that you are trying to fit the tongue of the splitter into the corner of a 90 degree corner angle. Mine is flat. Also, I have two roll pins in mine the position the splitter vertically where you simply have two open holes.

If the angle wasn't there or if you trimmed some material off of side of the tongue, you could make your splitter work.

Dusty,
I have milled off that piece and it looks like it is going to work roperly now. All I nee to do is drill the holes and install the roll pins to guide the upper guard.
Scott

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:37 am

If you are talking about drilling holes where I have roll pins to guide the splitter into position then I understand. But...in your pictures (4.jpg) it appears that there are holes. Is this just an allusion?

Those studs would not have to be roll pins though roll pins do seem appropriate. They need to be very secure because these are what holds the splitter vertical when you apply pressure to the splitter when ripping.

Drill the holes on the drill press and tap the roll pins in place.

Here is hoping this works well. Sometimes the path seems clear unto you venture down the path a piece. Watch for snakes:rolleyes:.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:53 pm

dusty wrote:If you are talking about drilling holes where I have roll pins to guide the splitter into position then I understand. But...in your pictures (4.jpg) it appears that there are holes. Is this just an allusion?
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Upon closer examination(blown up view), it appears the bosses are there, but the holes have not been drilled!

The 'dust chute' that I have appears to actually be 'part' of a lower guard(has holes and pins).

vzandt · Post by **vzandt** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:06 pm

I think you are on the money there. The bosses are there, no holes, no pins, but they should be easy enough to drill and pin. Off to the hardware store, I guess.
Scott

JPG40504 wrote:Upon closer examination(blown up view), it appears the bosses are there, but the holes have not been drilled!

The 'dust chute' that I have appears to actually be 'part' of a lower guard(has holes and pins).