Heath's Woodworking Projects

Forum for people who are new to woodworking. Feel free to ask questions or contribute.

Moderator: admin

User avatar
mickyd
Platinum Member
Posts: 2999
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:18 pm
Location: San Diego, CA
Contact:

Post by mickyd »

heathicus wrote:The toppers are glued up already for the large and medium lanterns. I cut each of the four topper pieces for each lantern a little long, then sanded each one for a custom and perfect fit, dry fitting the entire assembly along the way. I understand what you're saying about the groove, but it ended up being plenty wide enough for "wiggle room." The kerf of the blade wasn't wide enough for the glass to fit, so I had to make the groove in two passes.



I have to say no. At least for this project. In fact, I think it reinforces the "cut the glass first" argument. What if I had cut and assembled the sides and toppers before cutting the glass, then accidentally cut the glass 3/16" long? Or cut them long by even less of a margin - like 1/32". Just enough so the topper wouldn't sit flush on top of the lantern. It's really hard to trim that small of an amount from the glass. But it would also be too late to cut a relief groove in the topper pieces (except by hand with a chisel). Cutting the glass first, then working the wood to fit it has worked fine so far.

A different project might lead me to a different conclusion, but so far, and for this project, I'm not convinced that it would have been best to cut the glass last.
The ultimate deciding factor whether to cut the glass before or after woodworking really comes down to which way error(s) go and how sever / correctable they are. Had you cut your glass too short for example or had you made your lanterns too wide or too narrow, it would have been easier to adjust the glass had it not been cut already. I look at it as the labor that goes into the woodworking is far greater than that of cutting glass so I am a cut after the woodwork believer. By you cutting your glass height first for example, you didn't even know it was bad until your woodwork was done. Had the woodwork been done, you would have been able to detect the glass dimensional error immediately.

Your assembly issue would have also been prevented had you not been trying to fit your woodwork around the precut glass.

I'm just sayin'........:D
Mike
Sunny San Diego
User avatar
mickyd
Platinum Member
Posts: 2999
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:18 pm
Location: San Diego, CA
Contact:

Post by mickyd »

heathicus wrote:The toppers are glued up already for the large and medium lanterns. I cut each of the four topper pieces for each lantern a little long, then sanded each one for a custom and perfect fit, dry fitting the entire assembly along the way. I understand what you're saying about the groove, but it ended up being plenty wide enough for "wiggle room." The kerf of the blade wasn't wide enough for the glass to fit, so I had to make the groove in two passes.



I have to say no. At least for this project. In fact, I think it reinforces the "cut the glass first" argument. What if I had cut and assembled the sides and toppers before cutting the glass, then accidentally cut the glass 3/16" long? Or cut them long by even less of a margin - like 1/32". Just enough so the topper wouldn't sit flush on top of the lantern. It's really hard to trim that small of an amount from the glass. But it would also be too late to cut a relief groove in the topper pieces (except by hand with a chisel). Cutting the glass first, then working the wood to fit it has worked fine so far.

A different project might lead me to a different conclusion, but so far, and for this project, I'm not convinced that it would have been best to cut the glass last.
The ultimate deciding factor whether to cut the glass before or after woodworking really comes down to which way error(s) go and how sever / correctable they are. Had you cut your glass too short for example or had you made your lanterns too wide or too narrow, it would have been easier to adjust the glass had it not been cut already. I look at it as the labor that goes into the woodworking is far greater than that of cutting glass so I am a cut after the woodwork believer. By you cutting your glass height first for example, you didn't even know it was bad until your woodwork was done. Had the woodwork been done, you would have been able to detect the glass dimensional error immediately.

Your assembly issue would have also been prevented had you not been trying to fit your woodwork around the precut glass.

I'm just sayin'........:D
Mike
Sunny San Diego
User avatar
JPG
Platinum Member
Posts: 35430
Joined: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:42 pm
Location: Lexington, Ky (TAMECAT territory)

Post by JPG »

mickyd wrote: . . .

I'm just sayin'........:D

Did you really think you needed to say it twice?????:D
╔═══╗
╟JPG ╢
╚═══╝

Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10
E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
User avatar
heathicus
Platinum Member
Posts: 2648
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:02 am
Location: WhoDat Nation

Post by heathicus »

JPG40504 wrote:Did you really think you needed to say it twice?????:D
Well, as MickyD knows, I can be pretty stubborn. :p
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
User avatar
mickyd
Platinum Member
Posts: 2999
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:18 pm
Location: San Diego, CA
Contact:

Post by mickyd »

heathicus wrote:Well, as MickyD knows, I can be pretty stubborn. :p
I was actually thinking of a couple other synonyms....here's the unfiltered list from synonyms.com

You have to guess which couple are the ones in my mind. :D

stubborn (vs. docile)
obstinate, unregenerate
bloody-minded, cantankerous
bolshy, stroppy
bullheaded, bullet-headed, pigheaded
dogged, dour, persistent, pertinacious, tenacious, unyielding
contrarious, cross-grained
determined
hardheaded, mulish
stiff-necked
strong-minded, strong-willed
Mike
Sunny San Diego
shydragon
Gold Member
Posts: 417
Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:17 pm

Post by shydragon »

I have the plans for those. One of these days, I'll get around to making them. Looking forward to seeing yours finished.
Pat

Oregon

1992 SS 510, 11" Bandsaw on power station, 4" jointer, Pro Planer, Incra Miter 2000, Incra Ultimate Fence Router Pkg, Grizzly 6" Parallelogram Jointer.
User avatar
heathicus
Platinum Member
Posts: 2648
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:02 am
Location: WhoDat Nation

Post by heathicus »

shydragon wrote:I have the plans for those. One of these days, I'll get around to making them. Looking forward to seeing yours finished.
You and me both!
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
User avatar
heathicus
Platinum Member
Posts: 2648
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:02 am
Location: WhoDat Nation

Post by heathicus »

Patched corner.

Image
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
User avatar
JPG
Platinum Member
Posts: 35430
Joined: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:42 pm
Location: Lexington, Ky (TAMECAT territory)

Post by JPG »

heathicus wrote:Patched corner.

Image
I won't tell if you don't!:D
╔═══╗
╟JPG ╢
╚═══╝

Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10
E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
User avatar
heathicus
Platinum Member
Posts: 2648
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:02 am
Location: WhoDat Nation

Post by heathicus »

I made another mistake that is evident in that photo. Can anybody spot it?
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
Post Reply