Dull Finish on 510 way tubes

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I very much appreciate everyone's help both on the forum and in private messages. Looks to be a good bunch here and you've really educated me quickly. The most advanced technique for rusted tools I've used is soaking in a bucket of transmission fluid or old oil for a week.

First, it sounds like the diameter of the way tubes isn't critical within several thousands of an inch so rust removal (on the tubes at least) generally won't affect how well the headstock slides, clamps, or how square it is on the tubes and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this is also true for the carriage.

Secondly, for heavily rusted components, it sounds like electrolysis and Evapo-rust are the two best immersion methods. For those catching up on this subject, here is Mickyd's extremely helpful Thread Index on the restoration project, including electrolysis. It appears these methods will remove all oxidation but not the good metal. However, (and correct me if I'm wrong) electrolysis will take off paint, whereas Evapo-rust is less likely to do so. I bet Evapo-rust is a little easier to get than wash soda since it's available at my local Autozone and O'Reilly's. Also, Evapo-rust is reusable and doesn't require any sacrificial metal or voltage (however fun it may be). And since I don't have a battery charger or other variety of power inverter, I'm tentatively leaning toward purchasing a 5 gallon container of it. Maybe it will last me through the whole restoration since the quill is also frozen in the headstock, as are the feed and quill locks. Evapo-rust's website says it can be poured down the drain and Soaps Gone Buy says the electrolysis byproduct can even be poured on the lawn!

As for polishing (the original topic of this thread), a buddy of mine is an armature metal worker who also restores Jeeps. For Christmas last year I bought some rail road spike crosses he had made (see attached photos). He was able to achieve a mirror finish on the fairly soft steel with a series of three polishing compounds: black emery, green stainless, and chrome/jewelers rouge. So if it can be done for old RR spikes, a mirror finish should be possible on steel tubes. At least it is until I attempt it personally. ;) Once again, Mickyd has the subject thoroughly covered in a How-To Guide in a post that also covers aluminum polishing.

JPG40504: I was under the impression Citrusstrip was only for paint and grease removal. Will it take off rust corrosion too?

Thanks again, guys. Now I don't have to worry so much about damaging things as I get started.

Dalton
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I'll mention that wash soda may be hard to find. But easy to make. Take some baking soda and bake it at 300 degrees for an hour and ya have washing soda.
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Nice to see you doing your homework Dalton. Know your options and tackle the one you feel suits you best.

Using evaporust on your tubes is a great option. As with electrolysis, they'll still be pretty stained when you remove them. If the cosmetics don't concern you, use them as is. If you want them shiny, you'll have to progressively sand them. Read this post to show you some options on how to rotate them while sanding.

Good luck and looking forward to seeing your progress. I can tell already that your machine is going to come out sensational. Can't wait.
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[I mentioned the citrusstrip to apply to paint removal from aluminum parts.

Electrolysis will probably also remove paint from aluminum parts, but I defer to Mickyd's unspectacular results trying electrolysis on aluminum.(do not recommend trying it!)

The citrusstrip does appear to remove some aluminum 'tarnish' but it may be simply a matter of grime removal.

Washing soda is found locally in the laundry aisle, but do not be 'fooled' into getting washing powder or detergent containing 'soda'.

Evaporust is depleted as it is used. It will gradually become less effective(slower acting). When it is really black, it is time to 'refresh'. Oh when it dries, it be sticky.

I have skipped the 'wash it off' step for tubes(the sandpaper is quite effective at removing it). This allows one to polish when one can get around to it without being concerned with 'new' rust(the dried [citrusstrip s/b evaporust] acts as a rust preventative for a while).

Wear a mask while polishing. Steel dust does not taste very good!


Edit: Corrected citrusstrip/evaporust confision - should be evaporust.
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JPG40504 wrote:I mentioned the citrusstrip to apply to paint removal from aluminum parts.
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I have skipped the 'wash it off' step for tubes(the sandpaper is quite effective at removing it). This allows one to polish when one can get around to it without being concerned with 'new' rust(the dried citrusstrip acts as a rust preventative for a while).

Wear a mask while polishing. Steel dust does not taste very good!
Didn't you mean dried evaporust?
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mickyd wrote:Didn't you mean dried evaporust?
Yep! Uh Huh!
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mickyd wrote:Didn't you mean dried evaporust?
Yep! Uh Huh! WHO wrote that!?:D
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