Strength of a 500 carriage?

jm51 · Post by **jm51** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:59 pm

Not sure if this is the right forum but here goes...

I'm planning a project that will mean the carriage tubes (minus table) are carrying maybe 60lbs or so.

Will the carriage and tubes handle this or will I need to double up and use 2 carriages and 4 tubes?

This is what it will be carrying...once I've figured what ali I need across the tubes and how to cut it:

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holsgo · Post by **holsgo** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:49 pm

Deflection is the operative term...and I just don't know if they will deflect. I carry about 25 lbs with no issues but 60...well maybe you could run a test and put a bag of concrete on the table and see if the way tubes deflect at all. I don't think the carriage is the problem.

billmayo · Post by **billmayo** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:09 pm

jm51 wrote:Not sure if this is the right forum but here goes...

I'm planning a project that will mean the carriage tubes (minus table) are carrying maybe 60lbs or so.

Will the carriage and tubes handle this or will I need to double up and use 2 carriages and 4 tubes?

This is what it will be carrying...once I've figured what ali I need across the tubes and how to cut it:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-2KW-WATER-COOLE ... 3a6468c101

Will the carriage(s) be moving? A bag of concrete mix (80 pd.) would be a good test and be cheap. This is what I use to test weight carrying capability for my modifications. I have collected a few broken 500 carriages that the trunnion tube holes are broken off. I believe the unlocked headstock may have dropped onto the main table when being raised to the drill press position. I would believe the way tubes may deflect or bend a little so I would use 2 carriages and trunnions to be safe if testing shows the trunnions to move with the weight on them.

Feel free to contact me (annbill.mayo@comcast.net) as I have made many changes and modifications to the Shopsmith equipment. An idea of what you are wanting to do would help assist you.

holsgo · Post by **holsgo** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:24 am

I think you could take Bills advice but also fabricate a bracket that basically ties both the way and bench tubes together, so they work as one. I've thought about using 2 1 3/4 exhaust clamps clamped to each the way and bench tube with a steel bar welded between. There is sure to be no deflection with 4 steel tubes working as one unit. If i have a minute I'll try and weld up a set so you can get a pic.

algale · Post by **algale** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:59 am

This does not directly answer your question but I recall the Universal Tool Rest that attaches to the carriage is 35 pounds. I have to assume that the engineers decided this amount of added weight would cause no measurable deflection.

jm51 · Post by **jm51** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:25 am

Thanks for the replies.

What I will be attempting is an alternative 'headstock' for the Shopsmith. The idea might be a no go but that's how I learn, by failing often.

The water cooled spindles can go down to something like 12rpm with the right VFD and at full speed is a very quiet router when not actually cutting.

So instead of having a fixed SS headstock and moving table, it would have an up/down/tilting spindle to use with a (yet to be built) fixed table.

If it works, I've got me a router and tilting arbor saw plus a bandsaw that is slow enough to cut metal.

damagi · Post by **damagi** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:07 pm

jm51 wrote:Thanks for the replies.

What I will be attempting is an alternative 'headstock' for the Shopsmith. The idea might be a no go but that's how I learn, by failing often.

The water cooled spindles can go down to something like 12rpm with the right VFD and at full speed is a very quiet router when not actually cutting.

So instead of having a fixed SS headstock and moving table, it would have an up/down/tilting spindle to use with a (yet to be built) fixed table.

If it works, I've got me a router and tilting arbor saw plus a bandsaw that is slow enough to cut metal.

Sounds like you are getting pretty close to a bridgeport type machine.