SS Tracksaw

robinson46176 · Post by **robinson46176** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:49 am

Wow Bigjohn1, we sure shook you loose from the lurkdom cob-webs didn't we.

Now knowing that you are a real person and probably not a tool of a brand it is good to hear from you... Let us keep hearing from you and don't slip back into just lurking. The more members here that share the better.
Are you getting in any shop time or is it too hot up there too?

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JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:30 am

dusty wrote:You are absolutely correct. There are several track systems available and the best is probably that by Festool but that is because the Festool track system is just that "a system". The circular saw and the track were designed to work in conjunction with one another.

The rest are applications of a technique.

I use a piece of aluminum and two clamps.

But then there is bigjohn1 who seems to be down on Shopsmith for marketing the True-Trac. I don't know why he is bashing Shopsmith. All Shopsmith is doing is selling the True-Tracas a companion tool.

Is there a patent infringement? I don't know but if there is that battle will likely be fought in court. If there is, it will involve more than just a couple companies. There is more than one or two track systems out there to chose from.

I would suggest that y'all go read the writings of bigjohn1. Bigjohn - I would suggest that you could best support EZ Track by doing a detailed comparison of EZ Track to Tru-Track complete with photographic evidence of your findings. When you do this, please post it on the EZ Track website.

Tut Tut Be Nice Dusty!:D

jda · Post by **jda** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:23 am

Here's a comparison of the videos used to introduce each product, you can make your own judgement of how close they are:

http://youtu.be/E8gB-ymT1rA

http://youtu.be/T6D9FuGTQKg

bigjohn1 · Post by **bigjohn1** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:45 am

robinson46176 wrote:Wow Bigjohn1, we sure shook you loose from the lurkdom cob-webs didn't we.
Now knowing that you are a real person and probably not a tool of a brand it is good to hear from you... Let us keep hearing from you and don't slip back into just lurking. The more members here that share the better.
Are you getting in any shop time or is it too hot up there too?

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First Rob thanks for your kind words I may not find to many here it is very hot this summer I have cleaned and waxed all my shopsmith tools that were out in the shed all winter. Have a work room almost ready its a slow go hear for me just had cataract done and had to slow down for a week or so. I also don't do well in the heat in or out at this time again health but I try.

Now as for the tools I won't talk about FS only to say its not the best just there way of doing things they may have been the first but not the best.

As for knocking Shopsmith I'm shure you will hear more of this from others they must see its a close knock off. Just one point makes Eurekazone different then the other track and saw so called system is the smart base that you put your saw onto the other don't work like that there saw all one piece fits the track. making a track is not the problem like some as said there are others. Its the base then the connectors also showing the track with a smart table at a show is kinda rubbing it in don't you think so look at Eureakazone and then tell me it don't look very close in more then even one way or another thats why I said shame on shopsmith. From what I have heard true track is there first and only tool so far out of the gate andits not even there idea so you take it from there. Someone needed to stink up the joint so I guess it was me. So thro what ever you want at me I have heard not so good things before and if you think I'm wrong oh well you don't see the big picture.

damagi · Post by **damagi** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:52 am

http://tracksawforum.com/showthread.php?t=1592

An interesting post that sheds some background on the situation. Makes sense as to why shopsmith chose the truetrac guys since one of them (Dick) was previously one of the top sellers of shopsmiths.

With regard to the track systems - it would be great to see legit comparison between all the competitors. Among other things, there is definitely a question of whether the "new" design performs *noticibly* better, and whether one or the other is better over time as the various bases wear.

With regard to the business practices here - I have to admit, it seems a little shady, especially given the new evidence. There is certainly a difference between what is legal, what is ethical, what is moral, etc. Its unclear to me where this whole thing falls on any of those spectrums, but it definitely doesn't feel "right" given the bits of the puzzle that are coming together.

I'm certainly not an EZ fanboy - I haven't used their stuff enough to be. I really want to see shopsmith succeed with good honest sustainable business practices for the 21st centrury, so that my tools will still be supported for another 60 years and beyond.

bigjohn1 · Post by **bigjohn1** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:59 am

JPG40504 wrote:Tut Tut Be Nice Dusty!:D

Yes Dusty did we rase your feathers a bit and yes that would be a good idea about the pics and so on but I don't need to compare I know what one will come out on top EZ is part of a system not just a track it maybe the brick of it but only a part. Like shopsmith many tools in one so is the EZ smart system take the time and see for yourself where the future is going you can see that also with shopsmith getting into the same area must be a reason don't you think.

I don't know who you are one way or the other Dusty and I'm sure you rant about anything you think is right I'm just doing that. Yes things or items change along the way and loop holes are found but know need to be blind to it when they kinda show you the bird. In any case I buy what tools fit for me and the price I am willing to pay dont really care who or what name is on it or even where it is made if it does the job and feals good great.

algale · Post by **algale** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:26 pm

damagi wrote:I'm certainly not an EZ fanboy - I haven't used their stuff enough to be.

Damagi,

Perhaps you are not an EZ fan boy but you are a member of that EZ track forum and have been giving advice/suggestions on various EZ topics....http://tracksawforum.com/search.php?sea ... 3471&pp=25

Perhaps there are two sides to the story. If so, I hope the TrueTrack folks will speak up here.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:37 pm

bigjohn1 wrote:Yes Dusty did we rase your feathers a bit and yes that would be a good idea about the pics and so on but I don't need to compare I know what one will come out on top EZ is part of a system not just a track it maybe the brick of it but only a part. Like shopsmith many tools in one so is the EZ smart system take the time and see for yourself where the future is going you can see that also with shopsmith getting into the same area must be a reason don't you think.

I don't know who you are one way or the other Dusty and I'm sure you rant about anything you think is right I'm just doing that. Yes things or items change along the way and loop holes are found but know need to be blind to it when they kinda show you the bird. In any case I buy what tools fit for me and the price I am willing to pay dont really care who or what name is on it or even where it is made if it does the job and feals good great.

No, you did not raise my feathers. I was just suggesting that since you feel so strongly about the EZ System you should promote it rather than knocking others. The best way to promote something is to spread the good word around the community; in this case the wood working community.

The best place to promote their system would be on their web site. They have an interesting site but they could also use some help there. The images of their products leave a lot to be desired. Maybe that would be some marketing strategy you could carry to them.

As far as Shopsmith goes, this (True Trac) is just another item that they market. Why they chose True Track over any of the others is of no concern to me at all. I don't see reason for me to purchase any of them.

bigjohn1 · Post by **bigjohn1** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:47 pm

algale wrote:Damagi,

Perhaps you are not an EZ fan boy but you are a member of that EZ track forum and have been giving advice/suggestions on various EZ topics....http://tracksawforum.com/search.php?sea ... 3471&pp=25

Perhaps there are two sides to the story. If so, I hope the TrueTrack folks will speak up here.

Algale
You seam to like checking on what others say in other forums does this really matter? I am a member on a lot of boards does not mean I support them all because i'm there like festool i'm there but dont support them in anyway don't like how they do business like this happening hear. What's this about some guy named dick who way shopsmiths biggest seller being part of this so called new invention and better then the rest. Getting kinda smelly in here.

LOL don't you think. I can see this will be talked about for sometime not sure if thats good or bad but thats where we are.

algale · Post by **algale** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:56 pm

bigjohn1 wrote:Algale
You seam to like checking on what others say in other forums does this really matter?

The source of information can be important when you are deciding whether the information is reliable or not. When someone claims they don't have an interest in something but it turns out they are in fact unnaturally interested in a subject or business that they claim they have no interest in, that's a factor I take into account in terms of crediting the information they have provided.

I personally think that you are playing a bit of double game here, trying to sound reasonable on this forum and then going back to the other forum and making fun of the posts on this forum. That's your right, of course.