Perhaps one of the reasons why we don't have traveling academy's anymore

ss50th · Post by **ss50th** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:17 am

I have friends that are hearing impaired and they normally attend these kind of functions with a friend who knows how to sign. Sort of a self reliance thing.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:30 am

swampgator wrote:I appreciate the avenue of remedy that SS took. They included some electronic means of recording the training session which they can give to him and sell to others who may wish to take it home for reference. This is a small opportunity for them. And, they don't have to seek out or hire someone who can sign at every presentation.

I have a safety concern for Mr Huntley. If he can't hear, how does he know his tool is working correctly or at its max? It is sad that because he can't hear, that in my personal opinion, he should not be using machinery of this caliber without guidance from someone else at his side. Admitted, his condition is better than being blind, but I really depend on my ears to hear the machine speed or hard spots in the wood or a sudden malfunction.

I would have that same concern. It really bothers me when I use hearing protection and cannot hear the table saw running. The muffs that I have do a great job but I just can not get use to not hearing the shop sounds.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:37 am

ss50th wrote:I have friends that are hearing impaired and they normally attend these kind of functions with a friend who knows how to sign. Sort of a self reliance thing.

This is a reasonable way to resolve the issue. Mr Huntley, I am afraid, has a bone that he is picking.

The fact is, he solved nothing with his claim against Shopsmith. He and the ADA made their point but none of us have the opportunity of participating in the TA Sessions.

What we must remain aware of, however, is that this legal action may not have had anything to do with Shopsmith's discontinuance of the TA. They were struggling financially and TA attendance was down. These may have been the cause and had nothing at all to do with Mr Huntley.

jm51 · Post by **jm51** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:49 am

Sort of a self reliance thing.

Isn't self reliance a relic from the old world?

Todays new world is Nerf and lawyers.

joedw00 · Post by **joedw00** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:09 pm

The fact that he settled for (Within 30 days of the effective date of this Agreement, Shopsmith agrees to send to Mr. Huntley a Shopsmith gift card denominated in the amount of five hundred dollars ($500.00). says he wasn't in it for the money, like most people today.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:21 pm

joedw00 wrote:The fact that he settled for (Within 30 days of the effective date of this Agreement, Shopsmith agrees to send to Mr. Huntley a Shopsmith gift card denominated in the amount of five hundred dollars ($500.00). says he wasn't in it for the money, like most people today.

I think that you are just too kind. I don't really believe that he had a case that would stand up in any sort of battle. The ADA made him whole, so to speak, by giving him that charitable gift. He was hearing impaired when he chose to attend the class.

The last TA that I attended, I really could not see the details of the demonstration because I had a serious cataract condition. Maybe I should get a $500 gift certificate because Shopsmth didn't provide a special viewing area for me.

NO, I don't buy into all of this crap. There are far too many folks out there that are dealing with the conditions that they have been dealt without suing someone.

Don't take me wrong. I have compassion for others but I don't believe it should be dealt out in a court.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:54 pm

dusty wrote:I think that you are just too kind. I don't really believe that he had a case that would stand up in any sort of battle. The ADA made him whole, so to speak, by giving him that charitable gift. He was hearing impaired when he chose to attend the class.

The last TA that I attended, I really could not see the details of the demonstration because I had a serious cataract condition. Maybe I should get a $500 gift certificate because Shopsmth didn't provide a special viewing area for me.

NO, I don't buy into all of this crap. There are far too many folks out there that are dealing with the conditions that they have been dealt without suing someone.

Don't take me wrong. I have compassion for others but I don't believe it should be dealt out in a court.

I cannot help but wonder the time line of his 'request' for a signer, and the beginning of the TA session. I would think that SS would respond to a reasonable timely request. Now who pays the signer is another question.

Tis far easier to be arbitrary from a guvmnt office than a court room.

I feel we do not know 'the rest of the story'.(Nor should we)

forrestb · Post by **forrestb** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:41 pm

Lord, here in California we have lawyers going around to find stores that have some ADA "deficiency" and threatening to sue if not compensated. Should TA starts again - or at the home store - are we going to find someone in a wheelchair filing a discrimination suit because it is not low enough?

Or has SS already dealt with this?
Forrest

jm51 · Post by **jm51** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:06 pm

So who wins in a battle between Health & Safety and ADA?

imo only prudent that to state plainly that the Shopsmith is not to be used by those with hearing or vision problems.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:24 pm

jm51 wrote:So who wins in a battle between Health & Safety and ADA?

imo only prudent that to state plainly that the Shopsmith is not to be used by those with hearing or vision problems.

Or those not able to stand/walk. However it has been done by individuals with a can do positive attitude.

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Perhaps one of the reasons why we don't have traveling academy's anymore

And how does SS handle wheelchairs?