Shopsmith = SPAM!

kalynzoo · Post by **kalynzoo** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:49 pm

I too enjoy the Shopsmith regular advertizing post. I purchased the velco disc system on a special offer. To reduce the burden on the "blackberry", my wife created a new e-mail account for me. The wood stuff, and other good junk goes to my account, which doen't impede other accounts. Ask your I.T. guy (or my wife).

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:27 am

I enjoy getting the emails also. The problem with clicking the "take me out of the ballgame" button is that you will not receive anymore, period. There is no button that says "just send me one or two a month."

You can always create another email account that you use to sign up for company/business emails. I did this strictly for my woodworking stuff and it works great. It keeps everything seperated from my personal stuff.

alancooke · Post by **alancooke** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:50 am

I used to get emails weekly as well, but haven't gotten any for several months except announcing the Father's day sale and Owner's weekend.

The email 'specials' have quit coming despite the fact that I ordered from one of them in the spring when I was still getting them. Do they rotate the lists periodically or have I been inadvertanly dropped from the list. Any Ideas?

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:42 am

This has been an on going mystery for me. For awhile I receive the mailings on a very regular basis. Then for some reason, they seem to stop. When the frequency drops off or someone here on the forum mentions a mailing that I didn't get - I call Shopsmith. Then for awhile they roll in regularly.

I get the feeling that someone is testing to see if I am paying attention and I am.

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:50 pm

dusty wrote:This has been an on going mystery for me. For awhile I receive the mailings on a very regular basis. Then for some reason, they seem to stop. When the frequency drops off or someone here on the forum mentions a mailing that I didn't get - I call Shopsmith. Then for awhile they roll in regularly.

I get the feeling that someone is testing to see if I am paying attention and I am.

Dusty
Are you sure your wife isn't jumping onto to your computer and deleteing the SS ads before you see them.

I caught my wife throwing out some of my woodworking catalogs. She said it was an innocent mistake

, but I still check what she throws out now.

ED

jeffssmith · Post by **jeffssmith** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:12 pm

admin wrote:

You can click the unsubscribe link at the bottom of one of the emails, and this will prevent you from getting anymore sale emails.

If you would READ your customer's suggestion then you would notice that (1) I didn't ask to be taken off the list {or I would've already done it} and (2) that I was outlining a typical web problem that you apparently aren't aware of.

When a company irresponsibly spams, yes spams their own opt-in list, then the automated formats and keywords will teach adaptive spam software to HIDE the notes from potential customers. Not only that, the HUMAN ELEMENT starts to ignore the barrage of "ULTIMATE BLOWOUTS ON 5-PC SAFETY KIT" week after week.

"Dusty" and "alancooke" are likely victims of this very thing as they complain below that your emails seemed to start disappearing after a while. Systems such as sbcglobal.net default to capturing and discarding emails with your high-spam-probability content before their email client ever sees them.

Instead they're blaming the wife! LOL.

Get your act together, Shopsmith. Try to bring your web talents up to the standard of your other products. And, oh, btw....when a good customer sends you dollars and recommendations on how to improve your mailing list, how bout saying something other than "get off our mailing list!?!?!" If nothing else, shouldn't you be concerned that you are wasting effort by creating emails that are being silently deleted on some of your less internet savvy customers' accounts?

Think about creating a mailing-list digest option like other sites.

Jeff

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:12 pm

I don't think so Ed. I have my computer password protected!

She has hers password protected as well. In files that we each keep (like medical records and finance files) are located (syncronized) in locations that we can both reach.

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:34 pm

jeffssmith wrote: When a company irresponsibly spams, yes spams their own opt-in list, then the automated formats and keywords will teach adaptive spam software to HIDE the notes from potential customers. Not only that, the HUMAN ELEMENT starts to ignore the barrage of "ULTIMATE BLOWOUTS ON 5-PC SAFETY KIT" week after week.

Think about creating a mailing-list digest option like other sites.
Jeff

Hi Jeff! I know your post was directed to Shopsmith and I'm beginning to understand this issue is about technology, not so much the e-mails - however, I am not knowledgeable enough to understand what you told Shopsmith.

What do you mean by "[ "ULTIMATE BLOWOUTS ON 5-PC SAFETY KIT" week after week.]" Isn't adaptive spam software instructed to accept this mail if the company's e-mail address is included in the client's address book?

I'm just an old guy (the oldest that will admit his age in the forum) trying to understand the newer technology. You see, I still understand a bridle and a harness, riggin', hames, gee and haw, rowels and boots, but don't have much computer knowledge compared to many.

beeg · Post by **beeg** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:14 pm

For those interested in receiving the emails, this may help. Go to the ShopSmith home page. In the lower right hand corner. Click on the "ShopSmith Personalized Home page". On the next screen, in the center is the email sign up.

jeffssmith · Post by **jeffssmith** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:29 pm

Isn't adaptive spam software instructed to accept this mail if the company's e-mail address is included in the client's address book?

Unfortunately, spammers are aware of this!

So spammers can spoof your own email address and/or even someone you have sent email to or rx'd it from, and anyway, individual address books have no effect on enterprise-wide spam systems that deal with spam at higher exchange levels before it even gets to your ISP.

Those algorithms look for repeated broadcasts of certain content. It's not like the US Postal Service where they guarantee to deliver all the junk mail to you and let you sort it out!

Sending out opt-in broadcasts like SS is doing can even cause the automated servers to blacklist their smtp broadcaster without them even knowing it.

Like I said, this is only to SS's advantage to be smarter about what they're doing. I've received exactly TWENTY TWO emails from shopsmith BLOWOUTS and LAST CHANCE and CLOSEOUT in 30 days since I ordered my chuck. That's ridiculous.

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