PTWFE- Chapter 6 - JOINTERS

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charlese wrote:That was/is the understood interpretation that led to the confusion of myself and dlbristol.

This doesn't seem to make sense! It should be safe enough to make a rabbet in a 2X4. If you can face plane stock with a jointer, what would be the difference of hanging one small portion of that face over the end of the cutters? Therefore I think they meant to say LESS than 1", rather than MORE than an inch.
OK! YOU make sense.
The cutter guard must be removed to make a narrow rabbet in 1" stock. But this IS the situation shown in the first pix(Guard off)[6-23]. Personally I would be more concerned with the blade exposure BEHIND the fence.
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Hi,

Again I don't have the shopsmith jointer but I think you might find a hole in the out feed table where the guard goes when edge rabbeting??? Perhaps someone can do a setup and take a picture of the guard in position???

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That is what I was implying with my reference to the exposed blade behind the fence. It is a far better place for the guard when the fence is this far out.

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P.S. This pix is of an older(goldie) vintage jointer with the guard placed on the outfeed table so as to cover the exposed rotating blade area BEHIND the fence. The INfeed table is to the right, and the OUTfeed table is to the left. The spt coupler is at the top of the pix.
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1 in edge rabbit

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I looked at my planer again today and saw a couple of things that have been discussed here.
1. The outfeed table ends about 6 inches from the cutter. It looks like your thumb when laid along your left hand. Looking at the setup with the fence set to cut a 1/2in rabbit in a 3/4X ?, you get about 1 inch of the outfeed table projecting. Maybe that explains it.

2. If you tried to do anything much wider than 1 1/2 It looks like you would have to removed the guard and maybe the pin in the table. That doesn't seem to be a good idea!

3 I think your interpretation of the horizontal limit makes sense. But even then, you would have to have a pretty wide piece of stock to get a 1 inch rabbit into it.
4. If the problem is a misprint, that also makes sense.

My final observation is that this is a pretty small unit by all standards and is not intended to be used on heaver stock. so maybe that was the point. Like some of you, I can't see much difference in surfacing a 4in board and the operation in question. All of which leads me to conclude that the exercise of discussing this probably will lead all of us to be safer. That said, I never thought about the cutter being uncovered on the left side of the fence!!! Now I will have to worry about that!! :eek:
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Overlooked the screw in later models of blade guard. I originally thought of the guard itself getting in the way. Looking at the exploded view in the ss info, I notice the current outfeed table does not have a hole to move the guard to as was shown in my previous post. Tell me IS the current guard removable without removing nuts etc? The older one simply lifts out and can be moved between infeed and outfeed tables.

If the current jointer guard is NOT simply re/movable that COULD explain the 1" limit.:confused:

BTW the INFEED table has the thumb.
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Another one of the rules is that the blades need to extend 1/16" beyond the left side of the out feed table. If you don't have that right the wood might catch along the out feed table.

I've used the picture to show that.

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reible wrote:Another one of the rules is that the blades need to extend 1/16" beyond the left side of the out feed table. If you don't have that right the wood might catch along the out feed table.

I've used the picture to show that.

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COOL! Just glad it happens to be CORRECTLY illustrative. I did not strive for any particular 'clearance' as long as it was > 0 and equal for all three blades! I think PTWFE says 1/32"
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JPG40504 wrote:... Tell me IS the current guard removable without removing nuts etc?
Yes, it is easily removable, however replacing it is a trick that can be daunting the first time. At least it was for me.

There is a nut and a washer below the table that must be removed, then the guard lifts straight up and out. On has to be a little careful when removing the guard as there is an internal spring that can cause the guard to unwind surprisingly. To re-install the guard, the spring has to be re-wound about a turn and a half. The first time I re-installed the guard, I tried to wind the spring backwards.:o Then took the thing apart, straightened the spring and since, I've done it correctly.

Can't tell you the size of the nut. :confused: I use a nut tightener (spin tight). It's the one with the brown handle.:p
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The older nutless version needs spring tension direction co-ordination also. Am I to conclude that mounting it on the outfeed table is NOT an option?:(
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Re installing the shield is not easy to do. I messed about for quite a while before getting it right. On the newer planers, there is not a hole on left side of either infeed or outfeed, so you can't install the shield. Maybe there is another fix.
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