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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:34 am
by JPG
Fred Grover wrote:Thanks Dusty and yes it is working now. I wish Shopsmith had a reference manual to all of their screw sizes for all of their parts. Is there any kind of Service/Repair Manuals that you know of ? Something like when they had Stores and Authorized Repair Shops or Dealers or something ?
I did find the screw at a local place online (Fastenal) thanks for the idea and link to the size of it. I just need to go and see if they have it on hand now.
Truly appreciate the help.
Take a good look at that set screw you removed. Do you see anything that would prevent it from doing it's job properly?
Dusty has a fetish about replacing set screws(that is quite justified from his experience, but his experience is different from my own
).
A couple of corporations ago the manuals did include standard hardware sizes and suggested they be obtained locally.
The current and immediately precedent manufacturing corporation sadly does not see things that way. I understand why, I just do not like it, nor think it is good customer relations!
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:44 am
by Fred Grover
Thanks to Dusty and JPG. I would agree with you JPG that it would be better if they would provide a list like that instead of making one feel forced to buy from them and only them. To me that is bad marketing but they make a great quality product that fits the home shop for smaller spaces and tight budgets.
Dusty that list has helped and I am going to replace the set screw as it is pretty much stripped on the head of it.
Did I mention this place is great. Thanks again for everything.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:51 am
by dusty
JPG40504 wrote:Take a good look at that set screw you removed. Do you see anything that would prevent it from doing it's job properly?
Dusty has a fetish about replacing set screws(that is quite justified from his experience, but his experience is different from my own).
A couple of corporations ago the manuals did include standard hardware sizes and suggested they be obtained locally.
The current and immediately precedent manufacturing corporation sadly does not see things that way. I understand why, I just do not like it, nor think it is good customer relations!
I would not call it a fettish. It is simply a discipline that I have developed based on the experiences I have had over the years. If I find a set screw loose, I remove and discard it and replace it immediately.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:56 am
by Fred Grover
I agree with you on replacing the set screws Dusty as I do not like taking the chance with one that is loose or stripped and hard to tighten and loosen because of the stripped heads. I work at an Agricultural Manufacturing Company and we replace any bad hardware as we call it so we can be assured of good quality. Just my 2 cents worth on that I guess. Thanks to all who helped.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:18 pm
by JPG
Fred Grover wrote:I agree with you on replacing the set screws Dusty as I do not like taking the chance with one that is loose or stripped and hard to tighten and loosen because of the stripped heads. I work at an Agricultural Manufacturing Company and we replace any bad hardware as we call it so we can be assured of good quality. Just my 2 cents worth on that I guess. Thanks to all who helped.
If I overstated the phenomenon(mostly in jest BTW) I apologize.
I just have never determined a need. I am more suspicious of my tightening technique when a loose setscrew is discovered.
I Agree that worn sockets are a different matter, however not using worn wrenches helps prevent that.
That is the 'downside' of discipline. Lotta lack of thoughtful decisions(current rather than when the discipline was determined 'necessary'). i.e. no room for hindsight nor re-evaluation.
No 'second guessing' either!:D
Finally if future 'problems' with the hardware involved anyone other than me I would proceed with safety in mind and replace anything that was the least bit questionable.
I have not seen the screw, but doubt it significantly differs from a new one(I assume that 'putty' was put there by SS at birth).
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:23 pm
by Fred Grover
Yes I do not see the reason to putty these screws. It might help protect from damage but they should come up with a better way. We use plastic caps at work and they do better.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:00 pm
by JPG
Fred Grover wrote:Yes I do not see the reason to putty these screws. It might help protect from damage but they should come up with a better way. We use plastic caps at work and they do better.
That is intentional to prevent 'inept' owners from getting in over their head.
i. e. It is/was to 'hide' them.
Question is, why does SS (Nick) tell all about them? I think one who watches those videos is not likely an 'inept' owner and removing them is required for the 'advanced' maintenance procedures being demonstrated.
If SS wants to apply stuff to set screws they should start with blue loc-tite on the way tube retaining screws and
tighten them. A bit of history raising its head here!;)
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:35 pm
by beeg
[quote="JPG40504"]If SS wants to apply stuff to set screws they should start with blue loc-tite on the way tube retaining screws and tighten them. A bit of history raising its head here!]
BUT aren't the way tubes sent uninstalled? Sorry, but it's been 34 years since I had to put mine together.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:22 pm
by dusty
Fred Grover wrote:Yes I do not see the reason to putty these screws. It might help protect from damage but they should come up with a better way. We use plastic caps at work and they do better.
I have to agree. I picked that putty out of mine years ago and I have never had a problem with
that set screw working loose.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:26 pm
by dusty
beeg wrote:BUT aren't the way tubes sent uninstalled? Sorry, but it's been 34 years since I had to put mine together.
I only know about one Mark V delivered from Dayton, Ohio.
It was received about 25 years ago and it came with the ways and bench tubes all installed. Slide on a headstock and carriage and attach the legs and it was ready to go.