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heathicus wrote:We finally completely purged our campus of XP last week.

Heaven help you!;)

[quote="JPG40504"]Heaven help you!]

From an network and systems administration perspective, this was a very good thing to get accomplished!

+1 to what heath said.

terrydowning wrote:+1 to what heath said.

I understand that in that environment!

I don't suppose Vista is a target.

My company is mostly Windows 7, some windows 8 migration (me included in a couple of weeks) No Vista, some XP (Waiting on the mfg machine vendors to get with the program and update their software), servers of many flavors and varieties. We even have some machines that still run DOS as the Mfg software was never updated.

No Vista. That was completely skipped. We're mostly Win7 with limited Win8 on client devices. About 5% Apple Macs of various varieties out on campus, but they are mostly unmanaged (that is, the local user has full control and responsibility). Server environment is mostly 2012 with a few older 2008 and 2008-R2 and a very few 2003. Plus a couple Red Hat and Ubuntu servers.

Boy Microsoft is sure making sure everyone is aware. I received a notice about XP going away from both Windows and Windows Security Essentials yesterday and today.

I love MS's answer - update to Windows 8.

But they fail to mention Windows 8 is severely panned by "experts" and nearly every respected "expert" say it wouild be better to be shot that move willingly to Windows 8.

Some are saying it may be worth the wait for Windows 9.

I need to run programs that will not run on Windows 8 so my choices are.

1. Keep an XP machine and stay off internet with it. Then get another machine surf the web.

2. Go to Windows 8 but run an virtual machine emulator running windows XP

3. Go to Apple and run a virtual machine emulator running windows XP

Oh if I only had an windows 7 install dvd. I'm told the only copies that are legal are oem install and that eliminates installing Windows 7 on a VM emulator.

Ed in Tampa wrote:I'm told the only copies that are legal are oem install and that eliminates installing Windows 7 on a VM emulator.

Whoever told you that is wrong. Microsoft no longer offers technical support on installing or upgrading to Windows 7 (as in, you have a problem and you call them for support to get you through it). It's still perfectly fine to buy the software and install it. And it's still supported with patches from Microsoft and will be for a long time still (look how long XP was). You can buy Windows 7 pretty much anywhere - Wal*Mart, Best Buy, Amazon...

I have numerous test machines with varying Web Browsers and application running win95, win XP, DOS, Windows 7 all as VMs Win 7 runs beautifully on a VM. While Windows 8 was panned pretty badly, (Mostly for the UI and a lack of understanding on how it worked not for anything technical like stability, installation size operating footprint memory usage etc.) Windows 8.1 addressed many of those issues. Some of our users (including me) are in fact migrating to Windows 8.1. Check reviews for Windows 8.1 it is much better received that Win 8 although like any Major UI change it takes some getting used to. Once I got used to the new UI, it's really not that much different. If you have apps that won't run past XP then you need to either update those or look into new applications. The odds are that the app has numerous security holes in it and probably should not be run anymore anyways.

I have yet to ruin into an application that will not run on win 8 that won't run on win 7. Many times it does mean modifying security settings to a point where they should not be. Like running with elevated privileges. (The Windows XP default and universally accepted in computer security as a VERY BAD and VERY DANGEROUS practice) Linux users have accepted this forever.

My advice for anyone running XP is to upgrade to Windows 7 or higher as soon as you can.

terrydowning wrote:My company is mostly Windows 7, some windows 8 migration (me included in a couple of weeks) No Vista, some XP (Waiting on the mfg machine vendors to get with the program and update their software), servers of many flavors and varieties. We even have some machines that still run DOS as the Mfg software was never updated.

Whatca running DOS on?

Anyone know of a workaround to run dos stuff on ubuntu. I am considering making a laptop with a bad hard drive an ubuntu machine after I replace the hard drive. Need to be able to run compilers.