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[quote="JPG40504"]Next time pick a different 'RED'!]

Your wish is my command I changed them from darkred to red.

Ed in Tampa wrote:Your wish is my command I changed them from darkred to red.

Now if you want Charlese to see it, change it to blue!

has, once again, officially been placed in the #2 position on the priority list. Getting the RV retrofitted and fit for the road, long term, is the #1 priority. Once back on the road we will be doing a small number of short (local area) trips to check it out and then .........well, that is yet to be determined.

With that decision having been finalized, this thread can be considered closed (for now).

algale wrote:The new Unisaw design, which was introduced in 2010, if I recall correctly, has less track record than the SawStop design, which has been around since 2004 or so. Moreover, the new Delta Power Equipment Company is a 2011 start up company http://www.woodmagazine.com/blogs/woodw ... ing-tools/ which bought the name "Delta" from Stanley in 2011. So I'm not sure the old Delta track record really applies anymore to either the new Unisaw or the new Delatr Power Equipment Company.

Still, I am very interested in hearing why you said in an earlier post that the Unisaw was so far superior to the SawStop. I haven't had the opportunity to use either, but everything I read in the magazines and the boards ranks the saws very, very closely (other than the brake technology which is obviously exclusive to the SawStop) with the SawStop coming out ahead slightly in some reviews and the Unisaw coming out slightly ahead in others.

First let me say I haven't done a close inspection of the new Delta Unisaw. Let me also say that while Delta Power Equipment Company is new as it their products they are pricing their product using a degree of product name recognition that Sawstop doesn't have. In other words they are able to charge for name. Take that name off and their price would have to be much lower as would Sawstop if it weren't for the fact the technology forces them to price it higher. Since interest isn't there Gass is trying to force people to buy his product.

That said the comparing the old Unisaw Pre merger with Dewalt/Black and Decker and of course the selling of the name, Unisaws were and are superior to the Sawstop. They had a better motor, better trunion/arbor casting and thick gauge steel in their cabinets, better quality start solenoid, better quality bearings (subjective I favor made in America), better fence, better aged cast iron (most of the unisaw components were cast then aged to eliminate age warping known to happen in cast iron), I believe the cast iron was superior (again subjective I prefer America iron).

Sawstop is like most cars today a lot of flash that catches the eye but little of it improves the ride or durability of the car. Sawstop when lined up in a room with other saws will catch your eye but all that flash does little in actual sawing.

Magazine reviewers are human and that flash catches their eye thus effects their review. Few reviewers ever take the time to really study a saw, check thicknesses, measure flex, drop test fences and miter gauges and yes even cast iron wing extensions (hey it happens). They never check whether there is run ratings on the motor nor do they check the duty cycle rating of the start solenoid. Often they fail to check the durability of the start switch and none actually compare engineering to see which is the best design. They often assume a higher amp draw is a sign of more power rather than bad components that waste power.

Pre sale Unisaws were all manufactured to survive commerical power feeds feeding at extremely high rates, I don't know if the Sawstop can even be used with power feed or at an equal feed rate. My quess the arbor assembly would be damaged.

When I think of a Unisaw I think of production, pushing as much material through the saw as possible in a given time. The fact I would have to test the wetness of each board to see if might mistrigger my saw precludes a high speed production rate.

If you are talking about Joe that has more money than brains and has home shop where the fastest he ever worked was to complete the 5 board wagon for Johnny for Christmas then yes the Sawstop is equal to the Unisaw in that it cuts wood. And since it has been determined Joe has more money than brains a Sawstop is also probably essential in his shop. That pretty accurately fits most reviewers, as proven by their lack of raving reviews about the Shopsmith.

Ed in Tampa wrote:First let me say I haven't done a close inspection of the new Delta Unisaw. Let me also say that while Delta Power Equipment Company is new as it their products they are pricing their product using a degree of product name recognition that Sawstop doesn't have. In other words they are able to charge for name. Take that name off and their price would have to be much lower as would Sawstop if it weren't for the fact the technology forces them to price it higher. Since interest isn't there Gass is trying to force people to buy his product.

That said the comparing the old Unisaw Pre merger with Dewalt/Black and Decker and of course the selling of the name, Unisaws were and are superior to the Sawstop. They had a better motor, better trunion/arbor casting and thick gauge steel in their cabinets, better quality start solenoid, better quality bearings (subjective I favor made in America), better fence, better aged cast iron (most of the unisaw components were cast then aged to eliminate age warping known to happen in cast iron), I believe the cast iron was superior (again subjective I prefer America iron).

Sawstop is like most cars today a lot of flash that catches the eye but little of it improves the ride or durability of the car. Sawstop when lined up in a room with other saws will catch your eye but all that flash does little in actual sawing.

Magazine reviewers are human and that flash catches their eye thus effects their review. Few reviewers ever take the time to really study a saw, check thicknesses, measure flex, drop test fences and miter gauges and yes even cast iron wing extensions (hey it happens). They never check whether there is run ratings on the motor nor do they check the duty cycle rating of the start solenoid. Often they fail to check the durability of the start switch and none actually compare engineering to see which is the best design. They often assume a higher amp draw is a sign of more power rather than bad components that waste power.

Pre sale Unisaws were all manufactured to survive commerical power feeds feeding at extremely high rates, I don't know if the Sawstop can even be used with power feed or at an equal feed rate. My quess the arbor assembly would be damaged.

When I think of a Unisaw I think of production, pushing as much material through the saw as possible in a given time. The fact I would have to test the wetness of each board to see if might mistrigger my saw precludes a high speed production rate.

If you are talking about Joe that has more money than brains and has home shop where the fastest he ever worked was to complete the 5 board wagon for Johnny for Christmas then yes the Sawstop is equal to the Unisaw in that it cuts wood. And since it has been determined Joe has more money than brains a Sawstop is also probably essential in his shop. That pretty accurately fits most reviewers, as proven by their lack of raving reviews about the Shopsmith.

You are so negative, ED and you tend to speak with great authority. Please, how much formal performance analysis testing have you done on the SawStop or on the Unisaw for that matter?