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dusty wrote:Some time back, with photo images that I had received on the forum and transferred to my computer for storage, I could determine a number of things like what camera had been used and what were the exposure settings for that particular photo.

If I remember correctly those details were reveiled by my HP Image software.

I can still do that with images that originate from my own cameras but no longer with photos that I have pulled off the forum.

I have no idea what has caused this change.

That information is stripped off the jpg file when uploaded. Some photo editing software also 'loses' that info when saving an altered pix.

A common "feature" of photo editing software is to strip EXIF data from the photo. Perhaps that had been done?

I'll have to fire up WinXP (still use it on a rare occasion through Parallels), and check some things out to refresh my failing memory.

EDIT: Looks like JPG beat me to it!

I am going to try one more test to see how the images show up on other peoples monitors, regardless of the resolution they are using and whether or not they have the window sized. If all goes as planned, the photo on the left will remain on the left. The photo on the right will always be against the photo on the left, even when the window gets resized (On a PC usng the "restore down" button and dragging the edge of the window. On a MAC ????.

The two photos should never go on on top of the other.

Since this is a wood working forum, I am using photos of two wooden things that I own.

Nice Boat!

The photos are one above the other. The gate is the upper photo and the boat is the lower photo.

The 'boat' wraps below the 'gate' if window is NOT wide enough to contain both side by side. The scroll bar appears when the window gets NEAR the width of the widest pix.

I did some CRUDE metrology on the widths where wrapping and scroll bar occur.
The important area is the grey area. The other parts of the window are variable in and of themselves and were excluded from my measurements.
The gray area retains an edge border of about 10 pixels.
The picture separation(horizontally) is about 5 pixels.
The gray area is wide enough to display the two 600 pixel wide pictures when it(the grey area) is greater than about 1220 pixels.
The wrapping occurs when the grey area is smaller than 840 pixels.
The scroll bar appears when the grey area is less than 845 pixels wide.

These are crude approximations!

On my lap top, the photo of the gate is on the left and the beautiful boat (CrisCraft) is on the right. Both photos, together are wider than my screen. The bow of the boat cannot be seen without scrolling.

Also the text is wider than my screen, causing me to scroll right , left, right, left in order to read all.

Another effect of the side by side photos is to widen the entire forum page. This causes all of the other postings to be narrower than the widened page. Sometimes when this happens, I have to scroll left in order to view these other posts.

In case you want to see what the data looks like from the EXIF dump:

Make - FUJIFILM
Model - FinePix A350
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 72
YResolution - 72
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - Digital Camera FinePix A350 Ver1.01
DateTime - 2009:04:07 02:41:45
YCbCrPositioning - Co-Sited
Copyright -
ExifOffset - 294
ExposureTime - 1/23.4 seconds
FNumber - 2.80
ExposureProgram - Normal program
ISOSpeedRatings - 100
ExifVersion - 0220
DateTimeOriginal - 2009:04:07 02:41:45
DateTimeDigitized - 2009:04:07 02:41:45
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
CompressedBitsPerPixel - 4.00 (bits/pixel)
ShutterSpeedValue - 1/25 seconds
ApertureValue - F 2.80
BrightnessValue - 4.00
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 2.83
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
LightSource - Auto
Flash - Flash not fired, compulsory flash mode
FocalLength - 5.80 mm
FlashPixVersion - 0100
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 2592
ExifImageHeight - 1944
InteroperabilityOffset - 1160
FocalPlaneXResolution - 4545
FocalPlaneYResolution - 4545
FocalPlaneResolutionUnit - Centimeter
SensingMethod - One-chip color area sensor
FileSource - Other
SceneType - Other
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
White Balance - Auto
SceneCaptureType - Standard
Sharpness - Normal
SubjectDistanceRange - Unknown

Maker Note (Vendor): -
Version - 30333130
Quality - FINE
Sharpness - Normal
White Balance - Auto
Color saturation - Normal
Flash Mode - Off
Flash Strength - 0.00
Macro - Off
Focus mode - Auto
Slow Sync. - Off
Picture Mode - Auto
Unknown - 1
Sequence mode - Off
Unknown - 0
Blur warning - Yes
Focus warning - No (Focus OK)
AE warning - No (AE good)

Thumbnail: -
Compression - 6 (JPG)
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 72
YResolution - 72
ResolutionUnit - Inch
JpegIFOffset - 1316
JpegIFByteCount - 17872
YCbCrPositioning - Co-Sited

FYI it was hand held and yes I have been known to do that. This BTW is a cheap camera, either $79 or $89 a couple years back on sale. I've also not reset the picture count is if you see the DSCF5753.JPG the 5753 number is the number of pictures taken with it. If you see something like DSCF#### and then a few letters that is my code as to what was done to the picture. R is for rotate, S is for size, C is for compression, A is for some form of adjustment to color or sharpness or things like that. When I compress I use a nominal 70 setting. If you see it renamed like ie8screen.jpg it means I'm not saving it in that format.

Now that is more then likely more information then you wanted but now you know.

Ed

charlese wrote:On my lap top, the photo of the gate is on the left and the beautiful boat (CrisCraft) is on the right. Both photos, together are wider than my screen. The bow of the boat cannot be seen without scrolling.

Also the text is wider than my screen, causing me to scroll right , left, right, left in order to read all.

Another effect of the side by side photos is to widen the entire forum page. This causes all of the other postings to be narrower than the widened page. Sometimes when this happens, I have to scroll left in order to view these other posts.

I noticed you 'polled' at 1024 x 768. Thus your entire screen is smaller than the width of the posted pictures side by side. I do not know what is controlling the scroll bar or wrapping but it may be that because your max screen size is smaller than some of us, you are seeing differences in how forum post is displayed.

Mike I noticed your polled resolution is also smaller than some of us. You may also be seeing something more like chuck is seeing and nOT what folks with 'bigger' sized displays are seeing.

There's more discussion going on regarding the subject of screen resolution in this other post.

Ed in Tampa wrote:I use 800x600 because anything else produces fonts that are too small for me to read comfortably. I tried the next higher setting and on some sites the printing was simply too small to read unless I leaned near my monitor.
I'm using a 17" monitor and would love the have higher resolution but since forums like this use fixed font size. Incidently I have corrected better than 20 20 vision so I must be doing something wrong.

Ed,
Now's your chance to possibly get the best of both worlds. At higher resolutions, photos and the overall appearance of any graphics looks better. If your using Internet Explorer, try going to a higher monitor resolution, say 1024 x or higher, but when it comes time to read text that appears too small, increase the screen magnification by following this method (the CTRL + and - are the way I do it.)

Right now, I am using 800 x 600 just to see what it looks like and it is actually very harsh on the eyes. Try going higher, get used to is for a while, and I think you'll never go back. (you also Al and Bill)