frozen quill
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glenndemers
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frozen quill
Hello, I reccently purchased a 510 and the quill will not move! I took the machine apart down to the quill but it is frozen inplace. I need to know how to remove it without damagging anything! any ideas?
The first thing I would check out is if the set screw in the silver knurled ring on the end of the quill just behind the main spindle hub has been inadvertently cranked down too tight. The second thing I would check is to make sure the quill lock knob is loosened. This is the huge "wing nut" on the upper backside corner of the headstock. Hope this might help.
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glenndemers
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Hi,
Welcome to the forum!
Since you are new to this machine maybe it is just a mater of turning the right knob. As was mentioned the wing nut that is the quill lock (it is on the side where the switch and speed control are) need to be loose. On the other side is a the depth control setting... If the depth is set to zero and the wing nut tight it is doing it job... so loosen it and see if that helps. (My guess is this might be the issue as I have seen other people have this problem.)
The setscrew that is on the casting of the machine near the quill end could be over tightened but unless someone has been messing with it I would not expect that to be to tight. Shopsmith puts some "gunk" in the allen head and if that is still in place then you have to dig that out first before loosen, and if the gunk is in place then it is unlikely that is the problem.
If things are still not moving then I might look for damage to the case near the quill... it could be physical damage in that area.
So now you have a few ideas, so give them a try and let us know what happens.
Ed
Welcome to the forum!
Since you are new to this machine maybe it is just a mater of turning the right knob. As was mentioned the wing nut that is the quill lock (it is on the side where the switch and speed control are) need to be loose. On the other side is a the depth control setting... If the depth is set to zero and the wing nut tight it is doing it job... so loosen it and see if that helps. (My guess is this might be the issue as I have seen other people have this problem.)
The setscrew that is on the casting of the machine near the quill end could be over tightened but unless someone has been messing with it I would not expect that to be to tight. Shopsmith puts some "gunk" in the allen head and if that is still in place then you have to dig that out first before loosen, and if the gunk is in place then it is unlikely that is the problem.
If things are still not moving then I might look for damage to the case near the quill... it could be physical damage in that area.
So now you have a few ideas, so give them a try and let us know what happens.
Ed
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glenndemers wrote:Both of those items are ok. the machine was left outside for a month by previous owner! I believe shaft is frozen to housing, just not sure how to go about freeing it up
OUCH!
Do you mean outside like in the rain, sleet, hail, snow, outside???
Ed
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dusty
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Frozen Quill
If your machine was "outside, under cover" that alone is not the cause of your problems. If it was openly exposed to the elements, like it got wet, that's another story. Solving that mystery is not my purpose. Let's try to get you where you can make sawdust.
I'll start by assuming this is your first exposure to the Shopsmith. If that is incorrect, you can set me straight later.
I'm going to give you some info to start with that is intended to help you become familiar with the Shopsmith (quill). Then I have to find some references specifically addressing your problem. That will come in a separate post. Knowing the folks on this forum, they may solve your problem before I get back.
NO HAMMERS.
What did you mean when you said, "I took the machione apart down to the quill but it is frozen in place". Exactly what have you removed or disassembled?
By viewing these, you can familiarize yourself with the territory that you are working it. The one on the quill speaks to quill removal. I suspect corrosion on the spline that you will see in this video clip or in the quill advance mechanism.
Worry not. You'll be making sawdust SOON.
By the way, Where are you located. Your profile on the forum doesn't give that info. You might be near neighbors to one of us.
http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/SS_Arch ... enance.htm
http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/shopvid ... _Belts.htm
http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/SS_Arch ... enance.pdf
I'll start by assuming this is your first exposure to the Shopsmith. If that is incorrect, you can set me straight later.
I'm going to give you some info to start with that is intended to help you become familiar with the Shopsmith (quill). Then I have to find some references specifically addressing your problem. That will come in a separate post. Knowing the folks on this forum, they may solve your problem before I get back.
NO HAMMERS.
What did you mean when you said, "I took the machione apart down to the quill but it is frozen in place". Exactly what have you removed or disassembled?
By viewing these, you can familiarize yourself with the territory that you are working it. The one on the quill speaks to quill removal. I suspect corrosion on the spline that you will see in this video clip or in the quill advance mechanism.
Worry not. You'll be making sawdust SOON.
By the way, Where are you located. Your profile on the forum doesn't give that info. You might be near neighbors to one of us.
http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/SS_Arch ... enance.htm
http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/shopvid ... _Belts.htm
http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/SS_Arch ... enance.pdf
"Making Sawdust Safely"
Dusty
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glenndemers
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First of all thanks everyone for attempting to help me resolve this issue!
The machine was out in the weather "uncovered".
I viewed the links that dusty reccomended and still I have the same problem.
The wing nuts on both sides of the headstock are loose and I removed the putty from the allen head on top and loosened. Still no movement. Like I said the machine is appart so I can see inside. The quill feed is moveing fine but the quill will not bugg!
The machine was out in the weather "uncovered".
I viewed the links that dusty reccomended and still I have the same problem.
The wing nuts on both sides of the headstock are loose and I removed the putty from the allen head on top and loosened. Still no movement. Like I said the machine is appart so I can see inside. The quill feed is moveing fine but the quill will not bugg!
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dusty
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Frozen Quill
glenn,
Western Massachusetts - hummm maybe it's just cold.
Seriously, with the set screw removed (loosened), you should be able to grasp the silver collet on the right end of the quill assembly and move it in all directions rather freely. In fact, if you just grasp that collet and pull away from the headstock, by hand with very little effort, you should have the quill assembly in your hand removed from the headstock.
If there is no free motion at all (of the quill assembly), my best guess would be either corrosion or a compaction of wax and sawdust between the quill assembly and the casting (headstock).
When you peer into the headstock through the peep hole, if you move the quill advance, can you see any motion of the quill advance mechanism (a ring and pinion gear assembly). As you have described your problem so far, I expect very slight motion of the quill advance handle and the pinion gear. I further expect that the ring gear with not move at all because it is engaged with the gears on the quill assembly which is frozen solid into the casting.
If this descibes your situation, I am at a loss for "safe" directions on how to proceed. Too much force or force on the wrong location could do damge to bearings and or the housing.
Don't give up though. There are several people on this forum who will come forward with good advise once they read of your situation. I'll be waiting along with you to hear their solution.
Western Massachusetts - hummm maybe it's just cold.
Seriously, with the set screw removed (loosened), you should be able to grasp the silver collet on the right end of the quill assembly and move it in all directions rather freely. In fact, if you just grasp that collet and pull away from the headstock, by hand with very little effort, you should have the quill assembly in your hand removed from the headstock.
If there is no free motion at all (of the quill assembly), my best guess would be either corrosion or a compaction of wax and sawdust between the quill assembly and the casting (headstock).
When you peer into the headstock through the peep hole, if you move the quill advance, can you see any motion of the quill advance mechanism (a ring and pinion gear assembly). As you have described your problem so far, I expect very slight motion of the quill advance handle and the pinion gear. I further expect that the ring gear with not move at all because it is engaged with the gears on the quill assembly which is frozen solid into the casting.
If this descibes your situation, I am at a loss for "safe" directions on how to proceed. Too much force or force on the wrong location could do damge to bearings and or the housing.
Don't give up though. There are several people on this forum who will come forward with good advise once they read of your situation. I'll be waiting along with you to hear their solution.
"Making Sawdust Safely"
Dusty
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glenndemers
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Not on Shopsmith, but other corroded steel to aluminum/magnesium. If you can legally get a real needled syringe and the Kroil brand of wicking oil, find every nook and cranny where you can get some injected. Since I give myself a huge shot in the butt every two weeks I have more precision oilers than I care to count. Frequent and patient will work, especially if you can stand the power unit on end to let gravity help.mt