Wall o' SPT's

dgale · Post by **dgale** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:42 pm

Finally freed myself up to make some baby steps on the workshop at our new house. Nothing fancy but I built a shelf in a free corner for all the SPTs - it has room under it to "park" my two Mark V's when not in use.

Next up I need to install additional junction boxes and lighting throughout, and install the upgraded casters on my Mark V's and otherwise finish cleaning them up and repainting. I also have to figure out where to put my DC3300 and one of my two 10E's (the one that is going to be a dedicated lathe). I already mounted the other 10E on the wall as a dedicated drill press:

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:24 pm

Nice!

I tink I vould store de strip sander in de corner and store de heavy?(jointer) and bulky(bandsaw) stuff towards de ends.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:08 pm

[quote="JPG40504"]Nice!

I tink I vould store de strip sander in de corner and store de heavy?(jointer) and bulky(bandsaw) stuff towards de ends.]

I recently revised my shop mostly for the purpose of putting that jointer where I seldom have to move it. It now resides at one end of the Mark V. I am no longer comfortable moving it around if that can be avoided.

I certainly cannot put it up overhead.

dgale · Post by **dgale** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:28 pm

I played a big shell game with the SPTs trying to figure out the most convenient order that would also work with the space I had and other logistics (rafters interfering with band saw, door opening on right - band saw table set to also be a door stop so door doesn't hit shelf...). I definitely struggled with the jointer and it's not the most convenient spot...any which way it is heavy and I figure when it is being used with any regularity, it will reside on the end of one of the Mark V's. Once I start to use stuff, I'll reassess the order as needed - fortunately it's a pretty simple process to rearrange things.

apexsunguitars · Post by **apexsunguitars** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:48 am

nice, does the 10ER have an advantage over a Mark V as a drill press? I see a lot of folks around here using them in the dedicated drill or lathe mode and the concensus seems to be that it is a better lathe.

fredsheldon · Post by **fredsheldon** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:28 am

My thought process was I didn't want to have to be rasing and lowering my VS520 PP everytime I wanted to use the drill press. For less than $100 I have a dedicated drill press and for another $150 a dedicated lathe which allows me to use the VS520 PP for all other functions, which it's better suited for. When not in use, the cut down drill press stand can be rolled out of the way. I also use it as a drum sander and wire brush holder. The lathe is always ready to go with my UTR and Chuck always mounted.

squashfest81 · Post by **squashfest81** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:20 am

That is some great garage "wall art." Now to find a 10ER.

dgale · Post by **dgale** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:19 pm

apexsunguitars wrote:nice, does the 10ER have an advantage over a Mark V as a drill press? I see a lot of folks around here using them in the dedicated drill or lathe mode and the concensus seems to be that it is a better lathe.

As far as the lathe goes, the concensus seems to be that the 10E being solid cast iron and hence much heavier makes a better lathe...less dancing around with large and/or out of balance items. I'm not sure if there is a specific advantage to the 10E over the MV as a drill press - for me I was able to get that 10E for $100 and it's simple to mount to the wall. I can't really see how you could easily mount a MV to the wall. On the negative side, the 10E is noisier and more work to change speeds than a MV...I do have a speed changer for it, which I need to install and this will make speed changing easier...all in all it was a cheap and simple way to have a dedicated drill press that is much more solid and reliable than most newer options out there, as well as taking up less shop space since I was able to mount it on the wall. Of course mounting on the wall loses the portability of a SS, but I suppose if I run across a drill press need that requires me to be able to move a machine around, I can still use either of my MV's in drill press mode as well.

As a side note, I do really like that "push me, pull me" double drill press that robinson46176 posted a while back:

https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?p=107468&postcount=64

I don't personally have a need for two drill presses but I love the inginuity and could see using one side as a dedicated spindle sander.

apexsunguitars · Post by **apexsunguitars** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:11 pm

ah, thanks for the replies. i am always considering how best to utilize the SS stuff and the 10ER does have a nice small footprint when mounted to the wall like that. After seeing Fred's lathe setup I know I will be trying at least one 10ER with a UTR for a dedicated lathe. The double ended drill setup was awesome, I have been trying to talk myself into needing something like that lol.

SDSSmith · Post by **SDSSmith** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:21 pm

dgale wrote:As far as the lathe goes, the concensus seems to be that the 10E being solid cast iron and hence much heavier makes a better lathe...less dancing around with large and/or out of balance items. I'm not sure if there is a specific advantage to the 10E over the MV as a drill press - for me I was able to get that 10E for $100 and it's simple to mount to the wall. I can't really see how you could easily mount a MV to the wall. On the negative side, the 10E is noisier and more work to change speeds than a MV...I do have a speed changer for it, which I need to install and this will make speed changing easier...all in all it was a cheap and simple way to have a dedicated drill press that is much more solid and reliable than most newer options out there, as well as taking up less shop space since I was able to mount it on the wall. Of course mounting on the wall loses the portability of a SS, but I suppose if I run across a drill press need that requires me to be able to move a machine around, I can still use either of my MV's in drill press mode as well.

As a side note, I do really like that "push me, pull me" double drill press that robinson46176 posted a while back:

https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?p=107468&postcount=64

I don't personally have a need for two drill presses but I love the inginuity and could see using one side as a dedicated spindle sander.

Nice job on the shelf and the wall mounted 10E.

In my experience the 10E/10ER with direct drive is significantly quieter than a Mark V. Even with the speed changer in place, I find my 10ER significantly quieter than my non PowerPro Mark V headstocks. Additionally, the speed changer offers a wider speed range than the non PowerPro Mark V.

One other crazy thought from looking at your wall mounted 10E. Has anyone created a 'Murphy Shopsmith".....wall mounted with the top of headstock toward the wall instead.