Quill Spring

healdsburger · Post by **healdsburger** » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:26 pm

I don't know if anyone else has had the "vocabulary" to wind a new spring into the Quill Spring Feed. Well, after watching Nick Engler's video several times, I thought I could do this. After being able to get the spring onto the nub and then winding it into the housing, I can only get about 3/4 turn until the spring is tight. I have tried to put the spring in both clockwise wind and counter-clockwise and I can't seem to get it right. I am at a loss to know what is wrong! Can anyone help me? Thanks for your help!

rpd · Post by **rpd** » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:00 pm

This is a video from one of our members, ddvann79, that might be helpful.
Attaching Shopsmith Quill Spring

healdsburger · Post by **healdsburger** » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:37 pm

Thanks for your info and video. This is somewhat helpful, but I actually attached the spring to the shaft first and then wound the spring tight and slipped the housing over and fit the end into the slot. I released tension on the spring after it was attached. Then I assembled the Quill Spring Feed back into the headstock. This is where I only get about 3/4 turn and where my problem is.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:58 pm

As the quill feed shaft is turned to 'advance'(extend) the quill, the spring should be being pulled into the center of the housing. i.e. as the spring is inserted into the housing, the spring should go to the right as it leaves the slot.

It sounds like it may be wound backwards?

I find it easier to wind the spring into the housing, form the inner end of the spring so that as the 'nub' is inserted into the 'keyhole' in the spring, the spring grips the shaft so as to prevent the spring disengaging the 'nub'.

skou · Post by **skou** » Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:58 am

rpd wrote:This is a video from one of our members, ddvann79, that might be helpful.
Attaching Shopsmith Quill Spring

Dalton, (ddvann) has the right procedure, (and this also works for the antique Model 10 stuff) Wind the spring into the spring housing, thinking that you will be wrapping the spring around the shaft, as you extend the quill.

Hook up the inner end to the rivet on the shaft, and install the whole shebang into your headstock. Do this with the quill removed. (I'm not sure how that works on a Mark series Shopsmith.) And, before you re-install the quill, crank it a couple turns to extend the quill. HOLD THAT POSITION. Insert the quill, and let the spring retract it. You'll need to rotate the spindle to get the shaft to align with the drive shaft splines. (This is all Series 10 stuff, you Mark series guys may want to chip in.) If it doesn't retract enough, crank it out, and turn it another 1/4th turn. Rinse and repeat as required.

It SOUNDS complicated, but once you've done it, piece of cake.

steve

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:05 am

skou wrote:Dalton, (ddvann) has the right procedure, (and this also works for the antique Model 10 stuff) Wind the spring into the spring housing, thinking that you will be wrapping the spring around the shaft, as you extend the quill.

Hook up the inner end to the rivet on the shaft, and install the whole shebang into your headstock. Do this with the quill removed. (I'm not sure how that works on a Mark series Shopsmith.) And, before you re-install the quill, crank it a couple turns to extend the quill. HOLD THAT POSITION. Insert the quill, and let the spring retract it. You'll need to rotate the spindle to get the shaft to align with the drive shaft splines. (This is all Series 10 stuff, you Mark series guys may want to chip in.) If it doesn't retract enough, crank it out, and turn it another 1/4th turn. Rinse and repeat as required.

It SOUNDS complicated, but once you've done it, piece of cake.

steve

Pretty much the same, just higher spline count on non-gilmer quills(more positions to engage), and add the coupler on poly-v version.

Easier to get to on a 10.

healdsburger · Post by **healdsburger** » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:21 am

Thank you all for your replies! Through reading them all and reasoning out the problem, I found that my mistake was winding the spring onto the Quill Spring Feed Shaft and then sliding on the housing. For some reason that changes the tension. I ended up winding the spring into the housing and then hooking it onto the nub, or rivet, on the shaft. After re-installing the Quill Feed Spring and Quill back into the headstock, it works! Thanks so much!

kablerj · Post by **kablerj** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:58 pm

rpd wrote:This is a video from one of our members, ddvann79, that might be helpful.
Attaching Shopsmith Quill Spring

I used this method today. It took me 3 tries to hook the spring, but otherwise, it worked like a charm.

Big thanks to ddvann79 for the vid, and rpd for posting it.

mdriver · Post by **mdriver** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:44 am

yeah that video is a good one for sure.
I almost did the spring outside of the housing first as well.
Did one more search and found the video. Was very easy to perform and glad I took a last minute search before going with my original thought.

I had to purchase a new setup as my spring had what appeared to be "let fly" one too many times. No matter what I tried the spring would not stay put on the shaft rivet.

3 tries for me too. Must be the norm.

Good stuff.

Mark Driver

skou · Post by **skou** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:18 am

JPG wrote: Easier to get to on a 10.

Isn't everything? Including the spinning cutters? (Watch out boys and girls, the Model 10 assumes a "brain" instead of "safety guards." Doesn't play well with OSHA, CPSC, and a few other government acronym-agencies. Doesn't play well with ethanol {or other mind-altering products} either.)

(Sorry, I got "political" there.)

Back to the reason of my post, glad to hear the "fix" is working. Took me a few (more than 3!) times, my first go at it, and there wasn't an "internet" to look up the right way, back then. And, my first Model 10 came with exactly NO paperwork. None! It was trial and error, with the emphasis on the error. But, I still have all my digits.

steve