Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
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Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
Yes this has been done before and I'm sure I even remember a post here on the forum about the concept but I could find it or remember who posted it... sorry.
As some of you are aware ZCI zero clearance inserts can be made in varrious ways. I have posted several of them over the years and there are a lot more out there. Todays efforts are making an insert that fits in an insert..... yea got ya thinking now right?
The idea is that you take the time to make an insert that fits your shopsmith table and then have an easy to replace insert that fits in that insert so that in the future you only have to make the really simple insert. Clear as mud?
Keep reading I think the pictures will help. The white piece is the "holder" and the brown is the insert. The white piece can even be left in place and by removing the back screw the brown insert can be removed.
I left a small "tail" extending out the back to make this sort of swap easier.
And yes I did my homework and the rip fence doesn't hit it.
I started by cutting the plastic to width and just a little long. I then went to the router to make the area where the insert sits. I used a spiral bit to remove most of the material.
I then came back with a 1/2" 14 degree dovetail bit for the start of the sliding dovetail. One side is easy, the other you have to come in backwards to avoid back routing but it works.
The results give you this:
With this part done you now need to make it fit the table. I used a dish bit to do that and this is what that results in.
The matching insert is cut with the same dovetail bit and looks like this.
The insert then slides in.
I'm up to the testing phase where I will see how well my idea works and if I have to make any modifications. I also have to be able to reproduce the inserts without to much difficulty, something I think is quite doable. I'll keep people informed if there is interest.
Ed
As some of you are aware ZCI zero clearance inserts can be made in varrious ways. I have posted several of them over the years and there are a lot more out there. Todays efforts are making an insert that fits in an insert..... yea got ya thinking now right?
The idea is that you take the time to make an insert that fits your shopsmith table and then have an easy to replace insert that fits in that insert so that in the future you only have to make the really simple insert. Clear as mud?
Keep reading I think the pictures will help. The white piece is the "holder" and the brown is the insert. The white piece can even be left in place and by removing the back screw the brown insert can be removed.
I left a small "tail" extending out the back to make this sort of swap easier.
And yes I did my homework and the rip fence doesn't hit it.
I started by cutting the plastic to width and just a little long. I then went to the router to make the area where the insert sits. I used a spiral bit to remove most of the material.
I then came back with a 1/2" 14 degree dovetail bit for the start of the sliding dovetail. One side is easy, the other you have to come in backwards to avoid back routing but it works.
The results give you this:
With this part done you now need to make it fit the table. I used a dish bit to do that and this is what that results in.
The matching insert is cut with the same dovetail bit and looks like this.
The insert then slides in.
I'm up to the testing phase where I will see how well my idea works and if I have to make any modifications. I also have to be able to reproduce the inserts without to much difficulty, something I think is quite doable. I'll keep people informed if there is interest.
Ed
{Knight of the Shopsmith} [Hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags]
Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
Man alive, Ed! Your method looks like the best thing since sliced bread!
Can't wait to see the rest.
Can't wait to see the rest.
Octogenarian's have an earned right to be a curmudgeon.
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Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
That sure is nice! I want one!
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Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
3/4" Delrin(or whatever)?
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Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
Very interested!If you do Sketchup then a dimensioned drawing would outstanding!!!
Jack
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Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
Brilliant design, Ed!
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Really now. With the information and images that Ed has provided and a Mark V table at your disposal it seems that you could do your own Sketchup.claimdude wrote:Very interested!If you do Sketchup then a dimensioned drawing would outstanding!!!
Jack
These drawings would yield a table insert functionally similar to Eds' . I like Eds' approach better and will likely modify mine later to incorporate the slide in insert.
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Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
1/2" thick High Density Polyethylene (HDPE) -- maybe. OR maybe UHMW (Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene).JPG wrote:3/4" Delrin(or whatever)?
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Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
Dusty,
Thanks mucho! I could except I have never sat at Sketchup long enough to learn how to use it ;-) Besides, you seem to simply "will" it be drawn and it happens. I however would need to invest many man-hours in creating the sketch. Granted, I would then have a new and very useful skill but just don't have the time right now.
Thanks
Jack
Jack
Thanks mucho! I could except I have never sat at Sketchup long enough to learn how to use it ;-) Besides, you seem to simply "will" it be drawn and it happens. I however would need to invest many man-hours in creating the sketch. Granted, I would then have a new and very useful skill but just don't have the time right now.
Thanks
Jack
Jack
dusty wrote:Really now. With the information and images that Ed has provided and a Mark V table at your disposal it seems that you could do your own Sketchup.claimdude wrote:Very interested!If you do Sketchup then a dimensioned drawing would outstanding!!!
Jack
These drawings would yield a table insert functionally similar to Eds' . I like Eds' approach better and will likely modify mine later to incorporate the slide in insert.
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Re: Today in the shop (replaceable insert ZCI)
dusty wrote:1/2" thick High Density Polyethylene (HDPE) -- maybe. OR maybe UHMW (Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene).JPG wrote:3/4" Delrin(or whatever)?
Yours appears to be 1/2", but Ed's looks thicker.
I am curious what interferences that might create????
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