Clearer Setup Diagrams/Instructions?

[sreilly24590]

While I'm not new to woodworking per se I am new to the Mark 7. I was setting up for under table shaping and got thoroughly confused about using the Shaper Fence. If it came with an instruction sheet I see no sign of it and nothing I can find on their website. I'm basically setting up the different routines that can be done to get some familiarity with the system. I have to say the guy that demonstrated it was quick and sure but I have much to learn before I get anywhere near this confident.

In general I see how to mount the fence but adjusting it is unclear and as best I can see the two fence broads are likely to get cut. The distance between the two is 3/8". Any hint as to where there are some good illustrations and instructions would be very welcomed. Are they any high quality videos of the different setups?

Thanks,

Steve

[algale]

Here is an old video showing the set up and adjustment of the shaper fence in over-table configuration:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w7Wbzob6QI[/youtube]

For under-table operation I would have assumed your Mark 7 manual would have a chapter.

[rjent]

After watching the video that algale posted, the "gap" between the boards are adjusted by loosening the attaching screws for those boards with a blade screw driver and then re-tightening when positioned again. They are adjusted depth wise by loosening the Allen screws on top and then rotating the two shiny metal "cans" on each side. Make sure you re tighten the Allen screws again.

I am sure the video will give you everything you need ...

[sreilly24590]

Some thoughts on what I learned today after several calls. 1st I did find the sheet on the shaper fence and the above referenced video did answer some questions on using the fence. 2nd is I didn't have at least one part to use the shield as described which was really throwing me a curve. The Mark 7 came with two guards, 515704 is the listed as the dust shield for the speed increaser and guard and support assembly for the free standing router table. I'm using neither as I don't think the Mark 7 has any issues getting to 10,000 RPM. The second shield I got was listed as part 555191 and listed as 1/2' router Chuck w/shield. Seems the good people in the support area don't have the manual for the Mark 7 available to them which makes it a bit harder to explain what you are referring to when using the manual which I would hope all new users are doing. Long story short, page D-31 explains the use and assembly of the shaper fence to the Mark 7 and then goes into attaching the shield. I was trying to explain to the gentelman I was speaking with that the shield doesn't fit as described in the manual, which he doesn't have in front of him, and I saw no way to do so. Seems I needed to change the two clear plastic shields between the two shields I mentioned above and that was progress but I still couldn't place the shield in front of the fence as it described as the shield was now at an angle. I explained that it appears the shield arm was directly behind the fence on the table and I had no way of doing this. The shield as it came has an arm and a threaded T-slot nut for the standoff to slide into. To get the shield over the center of the cutter the base would be way off center left of the cutter and that caused the shield to be turned so that about 1/2 of the shield was over the fence not allowing it to be lowered to the required 1/8" above the wood work piece.

After a good amount of looking and head scratching it seems that there is a clamp that I didn't get and isn't referenced in any of the parts diagrams that actually clamps to the table centered behind the fence that holds the shield in it's proper position.

As a new guy with the Shopsmith, any model, I use this manual for getting familiar with the Mark 7 and intend to use the safety devices provided. I see a wealth of knowledge in these forums and hope that as I learn more can assist those who are just getting started as well.

Sorry if this is long winded but I wanted to explain the issue fully.

Steve

[JPG]

Some thoughts on what I learned today after several calls. 1st I did find the sheet on the shaper fence and the above referenced video did answer some questions on using the fence. 2nd is I didn't have at least one part to use the shield as described which was really throwing me a curve. The Mark 7 came with two guards, 515704 is the listed as the dust shield for the speed increaser and guard and support assembly for the free standing router table. I'm using neither as I don't think the Mark 7 has any issues getting to 10,000 RPM. The second shield I got was listed as part 555191 and listed as 1/2' router Chuck w/shield. Seems the good people in the support area don't have the manual for the Mark 7 available to them which makes it a bit harder to explain what you are referring to when using the manual which I would hope all new users are doing. Long story short, page D-31 explains the use and assembly of the shaper fence to the Mark 7 and then goes into attaching the shield. I was trying to explain to the gentelman I was speaking with that the shield doesn't fit as described in the manual, which he doesn't have in front of him, and I saw no way to do so. Seems I needed to change the two clear plastic shields between the two shields I mentioned above and that was progress but I still couldn't place the shield in front of the fence as it described as the shield was now at an angle. I explained that it appears the shield arm was directly behind the fence on the table and I had no way of doing this. The shield as it came has an arm and a threaded T-slot nut for the standoff to slide into. To get the shield over the center of the cutter the base would be way off center left of the cutter and that caused the shield to be turned so that about 1/2 of the shield was over the fence not allowing it to be lowered to the required 1/8" above the wood work piece.

After a good amount of looking and head scratching it seems that there is a clamp that I didn't get and isn't referenced in any of the parts diagrams that actually clamps to the table centered behind the fence that holds the fence in it's proper position.

As a new guy with the Shopsmith, any model, I use this manual for getting familiar with the Mark 7 and intend to use the safety devices provided. I see a wealth of knowledge in these forums and hope that as I learn more can assist those who are just getting started as well.

Sorry if this is long winded but I wanted to explain the issue fully.

Steve

Fence?

[reible]

OK after reading this I have to say I'm confused and I have the vary parts listed.

First you didn't just get the parts as they are not standard parts but extras. If you got the shaping package it would have included various parts, and they have different purposes depending on how the set up is done.

For the moment let's say this is what you ordered:

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One part of this is the same as the router shield.

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This part is used for operations such as free hand with a bearing on the spindle. It is not used for operations when the fence is used.

The fence:

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Is used in cases where you want to use a fence as a guide. If you have a bearing installed you will isolate the bearing and run against the fence.

Before I go on is this the sort of questions you are asking or is this obvious and I'm wasting my time on the subject?

Ed

[sreilly24590]

Ed,

I can say that I didn't order anything extra. I ordered my Mark 7 after seeing it demonstrated at a Lowe's store. I ordered the Mark 7 Power Pro, power pro starter package, caster, dust collector, and later the jointer. I've added the lift assist and various smaller items. It may well be that the starter kit had this but if I remember correctly it was the cutters, bits and various other items.The cost of the starter kit was $460 and included:

28-Piece Woodworking Starter Package

28-piece starter accessory package for Shopsmith Mark 7 includes an assortment of drilling, sanding, lathe turning, shaping and routing accessories to help Mark 7 owners enjoy all 7 functions of their machines
Includes 5 premium brad point drill bits including 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 5/8", and 3/4" sizes for precise, easy centering and super-clean holes in wood
Includes 6 PSA-backed aluminum oxide sandpaper discs (1 coarse, 2 medium and 3 fine discs) for rough through smooth sanding
Includes a 3-3/4" diamether lathe faceplate plus 5 lathe chisels (1" skew chisel, 1" gouge chisel, 3/8" gouge chisel, 1/2" round nose chisel, and parting tool chisel)
Shaping assortment containing shaper/drum sander fence with independently adjustable infeed and outfeed fences plus five shaper cutters (bead and quarter-round, 1/4" and 1/2" combination quarter-round, quarter-round and cove, ogee, and cove and bead)
Includes 5-piece, carbide-tipped, 1/2" shank router bit set (dovetail bit, 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", and 3/4" straight bits

So yes, looking over the order I guess I did get this as an add on. Sorry for the confusion. I had to look up the original order to refresh my memory. I ordered this on 1/29/15 and received it several week later, earlier than expected and right after a hand surgery so I wasn't able to really start using for almost 8 months. Since then I've been using mostly the table saw and am now branching off to the various other setups.

Going by the manual I was setting up for the under table shaper and ran into the problem of the missing part. A small part but a major player as you can't place the shield in the proper location without it. Nothing I could find listed the part and the manual had no exploded parts listing of it in either shield or with the fence. Evidently there is a clamp that holds the shield assembly to the table that I didn't get. This was the cause of confusion and the support group had no idea what I was referring to. Trying to explain what was in the manual, the one they don't have with them, was a bit difficult. After several trips back to the engineer he was able to see what I was referring to and told me about the clamp. As best I know it's being sent.

Don't get me wrong, I have no regrets getting the Mark 7, just some frustration of following along on the owners manual and getting these setups done properly. After watching Andrew do the demonstration at Lowe's, I was highly impressed but also realize it will take a very long time to get that familiar with the equipment, and that's OK. Speed isn't my goal, being able to do quality work is.

To answer your question, no time wasted Ed. The difference is that the two shields are quite different. The one shown appears to be a solid cylinder shaped clear plastic but that's hard to see while the second one I referenced has 1/2 of the lower section cut out so it fits down near the work piece and in front of the fence as seen on page D-33 of the owners manual. That would be the shield shown as # 555191 1/2" Router Chuck w/Shield however that fits on the quill using its mounting bracket so I was advised that I needed to switch the shields with the one included with the Support and Guard Assembly # 515704 however that's when it was discovered that the table mount clamp was missing.

I hope this all makes sense. Its much easier to describe if others have access to the Mark 7 owners manual. That's all I have to go by except for the older videos which also apply to the Mark 7. And of course this forum.

Steve

[Skizzity]

I also didn't get a table mount clamp.

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[reible]

The last page in my manual is D-23. Your manual must be a lot newer then mine. Without having a similar manual it is hard to see what you are seeing. Does your manual have a date on it? It sounds like I should be looking for the more complete manual you have.

Ed

[JPG]

No table clamp either place.


Looks like Mother goofed again!!!!








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