I've been pretty happy with the concept. I mentioned in another post picking a location for the SS that I chose for a "mostly" dedicated lathe. It can always be used for anything else but I will likely make a few simple changes to it like permanent ballast and stuff like dust collection and tool racks. Even the last two would be easy to move to another SS.
I do want to experiment with the 10-ER as a lathe but I would want a variable speed unit for that.
I'm setting the old Mark VII up to "mostly" be a dedicated dado machine and a molding unit. I have at least 7 dado cutters and want to set at least 3 of them up each for a standard stock material fit. For most standard stuff a quick cutting head swap would do it. BTW, I have also miss-placed 2 dado sets... Has anybody seen them?
Some of them I got with SS's, some from garage sales and 1 or 2 were actually bought new.
I think I have 3 molding head sets but I almost never use any of them.
I'm quite happy with my "Push-me, Pull-me SS double drill press even though I still have not done everything to it that I want.
I have some more thoughts on this but I have already dozed off twice writing this...
.
--
farmer
Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
Francis, common consensus here, is the Model 10 is the better
lathe.
Has ALL of the Shopsmith lathe quirks, (no tailstock drill
chuck, no tailstock advance) but it DOES have the added mass,
AND the thicker way tubes. (Cast Iron and steel, baby!)
I recently got a Model 10, with the speed changer, for the
measly sum, of $90. (Yes one of the "ears" was broken off,
but the weld looks good.) All 4 bearings in the headstock
sound GREAT, though. (Headrest was broken and welded up,
badly, though. I've got PLENTY of replacements.
steve
10 ER, stripped down.
Basic 10ER, Parts machine. Will be a semi-dedicated drill-press machine.
10 ER, a "survivor" of the trailer fire, in the back yard, needing restoration. Has a Mk5 headrest. Finally, stripped down.
Numerous parts, for Model 10 stuff. Except for lower saw guard, A and B adapters, I've got it.
Looking for one more, or some 9 inch extension table raisers.
Skou, like I said glad for you, you robbed the cradle on that one
My nwphew used a greenie for turning, then last time home I set up his ER with a SC, loves it, the mass and the lower RPMs and does not need more then the 1100 ish on the low side set up for max, but loves that 400 ish rpms for big blanks ruffing.
We both know, other then a Power Pro what the best SS is And after reading some post here with initial PP problems I say that with reservations
KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE EQUALS WISDOM. Albert Einstein
The Greatness officially starts
Greenie, Grayling, SS stand alone BS and BS SPT, jointer and belt sander, 3 Ers with Speed Changers. I think those 3 cover my ER needs, and space for them.
Lover, considering it is almost 70 years old,
maybe "robbed the grave."
You're right, about the extra (Cast Iron) mass.
Does give a margin of stability, along with those
(almost) 1/4 inch wall thickness way tubes.
steve
10 ER, stripped down.
Basic 10ER, Parts machine. Will be a semi-dedicated drill-press machine.
10 ER, a "survivor" of the trailer fire, in the back yard, needing restoration. Has a Mk5 headrest. Finally, stripped down.
Numerous parts, for Model 10 stuff. Except for lower saw guard, A and B adapters, I've got it.
Looking for one more, or some 9 inch extension table raisers.
skou wrote:Lover, considering it is almost 70 years old,
maybe "robbed the grave."
You're right, about the extra (Cast Iron) mass.
Does give a margin of stability, along with those
(almost) 1/4 inch wall thickness way tubes.
steve
Ya I guess we are grave robbers/savers, not cradle robbers
KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE EQUALS WISDOM. Albert Einstein
The Greatness officially starts
Greenie, Grayling, SS stand alone BS and BS SPT, jointer and belt sander, 3 Ers with Speed Changers. I think those 3 cover my ER needs, and space for them.
Grave savers has a nice ring to it!!! Have to remember that. Although some of us may be considered hoarders of the machines, I look at it as we are preservers of a fine built piece of equipment! Nothing like American built steel and cast iron......
How much of the inferior garbage which makes a journey across the Pacific can lay claim that they use the equipment to make more of its own self???
I have never used a 10 ER for turning but their increased mass would certainly be an asset. I was weaned on my fathers greenie so the Mk 5 is my only reference. I always liked the variable speed part. While in the navy did have access to an old delta lathe and did some turning with it but the chisels and sharpening situation was marginal. Adding mass and stiffness to the Mk 5 has always been necessary. Now days I use diving weight belts draped over the tubes but in past years I used five gallon plastic buckets filled with gravel. I recently solved the stiffness of the tailstock issue by using a stripped down headstock a tailstock. Now with the loss of length I have decided to add new longer steel tubes. The new tubes will be as thick walled as I can find to add the mass. The tubing wall thickness will be a function of the price. After all this I am wondering if just buying a 10 ER might have been a simpler solution.
Paul
Paul, Hans's first was Hans's best.
(Well, the second version, because the ER is
THAT much better.)(Not really, I can change
an E into an ER in a heartbeat)
If you can't buy a stripped-down Model 10,
(Either version) for less than $200, including
the REQUIRED Speed-Changer, look further.
(Got one last Tuesday, for $90, WITH the
speed changer, but missing LOTS of parts.)
Any member here, that has both machines,
will ALWAYS state that the Model 10 IS the
better lathe and drill-press. (In either D-P
configuration.)
My brother (Sterling here) has adapted his horizontal
machine to hold his "Kobalt" miter saw, (and STOLE
both of my 9 inch extension table risers) to do so.
When I find 2 more risers, I'll be mounting his old
Delta "lunchbox" planer on MY (or one of my 3) Model 10.
Guys, if you get enough parts, the Model 10 turns into a
GIANT erector set. (You remember Gilbert erector sets?)
steve
10 ER, stripped down.
Basic 10ER, Parts machine. Will be a semi-dedicated drill-press machine.
10 ER, a "survivor" of the trailer fire, in the back yard, needing restoration. Has a Mk5 headrest. Finally, stripped down.
Numerous parts, for Model 10 stuff. Except for lower saw guard, A and B adapters, I've got it.
Looking for one more, or some 9 inch extension table raisers.
masonsailor2 wrote:I have never used a 10 ER for turning but their increased mass would certainly be an asset. I was weaned on my fathers greenie so the Mk 5 is my only reference. I always liked the variable speed part. While in the navy did have access to an old delta lathe and did some turning with it but the chisels and sharpening situation was marginal. Adding mass and stiffness to the Mk 5 has always been necessary. Now days I use diving weight belts draped over the tubes but in past years I used five gallon plastic buckets filled with gravel. I recently solved the stiffness of the tailstock issue by using a stripped down headstock a tailstock. Now with the loss of length I have decided to add new longer steel tubes. The new tubes will be as thick walled as I can find to add the mass. The tubing wall thickness will be a function of the price. After all this I am wondering if just buying a 10 ER might have been a simpler solution.
Paul
Or get some lead reloading shot gun shot and fill the way and support tubes and cap them.
KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE EQUALS WISDOM. Albert Einstein
The Greatness officially starts
Greenie, Grayling, SS stand alone BS and BS SPT, jointer and belt sander, 3 Ers with Speed Changers. I think those 3 cover my ER needs, and space for them.
That's a very cool idea ER Lover. I may try that. I will have to price the difference. My steel guy has been slow on getting me prices. I had him get prices all the way up to solid tubes which I am sure will be waaay expensive.
Paul
