You can't judge a book by its cover
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- everettdavis
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You can't judge a book by its cover
Thanks to Russ Chapman I am working to change that impression as I attempt to restore the very first edition (we believe thus far) of the 1954 Shopsmith Mark 5 manual.
Graciously Russ Chapman took the time to scan his copy and here is a reduced quality snapshot of that process.... Only 31 more pages to go, each with unique challenges.
I will put the restored manual in the “1954+ Mark 5” folder on My Google Drive where I put the “Mark 5 1954 Exploded Parts Diagram reworked Axes Perspectives and Supplemental Illustrations.PDF” last night.
Happy 4th of July everyone! Now I get to go masquerade as grill master of sorts..
Everett
Graciously Russ Chapman took the time to scan his copy and here is a reduced quality snapshot of that process.... Only 31 more pages to go, each with unique challenges.
I will put the restored manual in the “1954+ Mark 5” folder on My Google Drive where I put the “Mark 5 1954 Exploded Parts Diagram reworked Axes Perspectives and Supplemental Illustrations.PDF” last night.
Happy 4th of July everyone! Now I get to go masquerade as grill master of sorts..
Everett
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
Assuming that is before(left) and after(right).
You do indeed perform miracles!
You do indeed perform miracles!
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
JPG wrote:Assuming that is before(left) and after(right).
You do indeed perform miracles!
Thanks James.
Here are two examples 50% and 400% (reduced size of course for the forum) for what that 22" x 17" Exploded Parts PDF document I uploaded last night looks like, and no, those two insets I added to the altered original as I reworked it.
Grill is hot now, have to sign off...
Everett
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
Bearing retainer clip(s) should be on the yellow line???
I looked to see if Thundderbirdbat's single clip was oem.
I looked to see if Thundderbirdbat's single clip was oem.
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
James you are correct.JPG wrote:Bearing retainer clip(s) should be on the yellow line???
I looked to see if Thundderbirdbat's single clip was oem.
It isn’t there because it wasn’t there initially in the original machine, or in the drawing in the original manual.
I had noticed that too, as it was not part of the Original 1954 drawing, and it did not appear in the numerical parts listing for this direct drive version of the 1954 Mark 5 manual.
As our late friend Bill Mayo and I had discussed some years ago, it was developed to solve a problem they only found after they introduced it.
This brings back into focus the Gilmer Clutch update that also occurred after the initial manual but before the patent was applied for. It too would have been a production change, before patent.
I have not found a Shopsmith bulletin announcing the bearing retainer or the clutch, however I am still looking. Perhaps you can better understand why I put out a Call for Document Submissions. I would like to find a copy of both production change announcements if surviving copies exist.
This indicates that it was not part of the original machines and added as production change, before the actual patent application and drawings were made and submitted in 1955.
The inset side view drawing I added in the redrawn exploded parts diagram had the retainer, but it also came from a later drawing. It too was not the patent drawing as it did not have the clutch. The patent drawing had it in 1955.
We know Shopsmith introduced the Mark 5 in 1954, (they referred to it as an M5 in the manual) and retainer is item 104 in the Patent Drawing, not the original manual.
I am toying with a version two of the exploded parts diagram in which I might break out a highlighted circle to illustrate both the bearing retainer and the clutch for the Gilmer drive.
My drawing will appear at the end of the original manual. It will have the original drawing as Page 25.
Shopsmith Patent 2,927,612 was filed: March 15, 1955 and granted March 8, 1960 almost 5 years later.
Verbiage in the patent application, and the illustration of the retainer is in the patent application.
Fixed to the shaft 164 outwardly of and adjacent the pulley 166 by a set screw 173 is a stepped hub or sleeve 74 and keyed by external gear teeth to the stepped end of this sleeve, and which is circumscribed by the outer end of the pulley 166, is a series of steel rings 175 alternated with the annular fiber rings 172 and forming a friction clutch therewith. As a result of this construction it will be seen that the only connection between the pulley 166 and the drive shaft 164 is through the spring pressed alternated fiber and steel rings 172 and 175 and that if too great a load is imposed on the shaft ió4 slippage will occur between the two sets of friction rings.
Reference the side-by-side drawings below.
Everett
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
Everett,
There are so many details to check and you definitely have a good eye for it. If asked before now I would have said the Bearing Retainer was there from the beginning until it was replaced with the set screw in 1955 and I have the evidence, in the original manual, it wasn't.
From my list of changes to the Mark 5/V
The restored cover looks great. You have removed the writing, tear, crease and stains without any loss in the picture. The exploded drawing is much easier to follow than the original. Thanks for all the great work!
There are so many details to check and you definitely have a good eye for it. If asked before now I would have said the Bearing Retainer was there from the beginning until it was replaced with the set screw in 1955 and I have the evidence, in the original manual, it wasn't.
From my list of changes to the Mark 5/V
Considering the source of that information, the Supplement to the Mark V Parts List – Supplement to Bulletin 504287 – 4/74, anyone with a Mark 5 before Serial Number 298476 should actually have it on their Mark 5 even if it did not have it originally.1955 June, Beginning with Serial number 298476 the Eccentric Bushing included a set screw. Mark 5’s before this used “rocker shaped” bearing retainers. Other 1955 changes included a hole behind the rear nameplate (A to B Headstock, Oct.) and a change in the retainer on the motor shaft. *2
The restored cover looks great. You have removed the writing, tear, crease and stains without any loss in the picture. The exploded drawing is much easier to follow than the original. Thanks for all the great work!
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Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
Good Grief an "editor's" auto correct substituted Jeff Chapman from Jeff Chapman Roberts, a fellow I communicate with regularly for the Russ in Russ Chapman in two places.... Did one but not the other LOL
I will have to look to find all the places that might have happened.... Sorry Russ....
Fixed it.
I will have to look to find all the places that might have happened.... Sorry Russ....
Fixed it.
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
Turn auto "correct" off!
Proof read yer stuff yerself.
Proof read yer stuff yerself.
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
As we discussed in a different post; Neither the Bearing Retainer nor the Gilmer Clutch were in the first machines, but came afterward, as separate releases as I have confirmed.JPG wrote:Bearing retainer clip(s) should be on the yellow line???
I looked to see if Thundderbirdbat's single clip was oem.
I started working on the 2nd Mark 5 manual provided by Wiley Wells and can now confirm the Bearing Retainer came out first as it is in the parts listing within the second manual. See Attached.
Wiley's manual was in really good shape and required less restoration time per page. I don't know just yet when I will get back to finish it up.
I am expecting an additional manual copy from Russ Chapman that we believe is the third Mark 5 manual released and I expect to see the Gilmer Clutch assembly included in it. Russ is busy and it may take a while for him to scan #3 for me.
At least I am working on it as time permits and we have indeed answered some questions we had.
Everett
See parts illustration from Wiley's manual below. Just for you JPG, I put a Yellow Line through the part!
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Re: You can't judge a book by its cover
Everett,
Blowing those images up and adding the colored lines sure makes the drawings easier to figure out how everything goes together. Looking at the manual and trying to figure out the orientation of washers, clips and things that look way too close to one another with my eyesight and glasses is a challenge. You are making it so much easier for the DIY'er to take their machine apart and put it back together "correctly", and at the same time providing a much-needed history of the design changes.
Wiley
Blowing those images up and adding the colored lines sure makes the drawings easier to figure out how everything goes together. Looking at the manual and trying to figure out the orientation of washers, clips and things that look way too close to one another with my eyesight and glasses is a challenge. You are making it so much easier for the DIY'er to take their machine apart and put it back together "correctly", and at the same time providing a much-needed history of the design changes.
Wiley