Oneida Dust Deputy

bobgroh · Post by **bobgroh** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:17 am

Oneida Air Systems has a little cyclone and collection barrel that acts as a pre-filter for a 'shop-vac' type dust collection system. Does anyone have one or have an opinion that they would like to express on it?

reible · Post by **reible** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:23 am

Hi,

Can you direct us to pictures?

I think this name sounds familiar like didn't I see them using some sort of vortexy thing on a floor sander(maybe this old house)?

I have plastic top for a 20 gallon trash can that I use but this might be a very different system...

Ed

bobgroh wrote:Oneida Air Systems has a little cyclone and collection barrel that acts as a pre-filter for a 'shop-vac' type dust collection system. Does anyone have one or have an opinion that they would like to express on it?

bobgroh · Post by **bobgroh** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:49 pm

reible wrote:Hi,

Can you direct us to pictures?

I think this name sounds familiar like didn't I see them using some sort of vortexy thing on a floor sander(maybe this old house)?

I have plastic top for a 20 gallon trash can that I use but this might be a very different system...

Ed

You are absolutely correct. There was the 'vortexy' floor sander on TOH. And the Dust Deputy is a vortex collector mounted on a drum. Take a look here:

<http://www.dustdeputy.com/>

Assuming that comes out ok. If not, I'll try another way to list the URL:
The Dust Deputy

And we'll see what happens! Neat little device. Uses air flow from ShopVac (or equivalent).

reible · Post by **reible** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:13 pm

That looks like something I'd like to have... I will pencil it in next years budget. Think they will be on sale next year????

Looks like they have been around for a while but I had seen one except for the one Norm showed us.

Many many years ago a company was promoting a vortex cooler so we got one to play with at work for cooling electronic circuits, they used compressed air to create a pressure drop... and well it did work but wasn't practical for what we needed... now I wish I had the parts from that and could made one of these.

If you do decide to get one keep us posted, a review would be nice as well.

Ed

hoagie · Post by **hoagie** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:17 pm

Both Rockler and Woodcraft have similar accessories on their websites. They are a bit more money, but I'd save on the shipping costs. Are there any differences between these and the "Dust Deputy"? <Strike this paragraph.

I stand corrected. When I first hit the link in Bob's post I apparently was misdirected to a different website that listed the "trash can topper" type of dust collector. These will not work as well as the vortex type such as the Dust Deputy. However, they actually cost a bit less, ringing up at about $20 for the 2.5" hose, 5 gallon bucket model, and about $27 for the 4" hose, 30 gallon trash can model. Here they are on the Woodcraftsite.
Since I'm using a Delta dust collector I have 4 inch hoses. Anyone know of a true vortex-type separator with 4 inch inlet/outlet? Or have plans for building one?

reible · Post by **reible** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:01 pm

Hi,

Any chance you could post a link?

ed

hoagie wrote:Both Rockler and Woodcraft have similar accessories on their websites. They are a bit more money, but I'd save on the shipping costs. Are there any differences between these and the "Dust Deputy"?

iclark · Post by **iclark** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:57 am

hoagie wrote:Both Rockler and Woodcraft have similar accessories on their websites. They are a bit more money, but I'd save on the shipping costs. Are there any differences between these and the "Dust Deputy"?

looking around the Oneida site, I see that the 2" Dust Deputy package currently has free shipping to CONUS.

http://store.oneida-air.com/dustdeputyp ... ete-1.aspx

the package comes with 1 adapter for using 2.25" hoses. that seems odd to me since both the inlet and outlet are 2" and you need hoses on both sides.

FWIW, unlike most of the bucket top separators at places like woodcraft (Woodcraft Trash Can Cyclone Lid), this one at least looks like a vortex separator. having the air come in tangential to the upper rim of the cone, the air going out the top center, and the tapered sides for the solids to slide down to the dump are all necessary parts for a vortex separator. the other types are mostly just settling bowls and, as noted in other threads here, are prone to significant head loss.

<soap box mode: on>
back in my CFD days, it took a bunch of computer time to optimize the cone shape and size for these things but I still have problems understanding why the prices they are asking for these things are so high. seems like, other than raw materials cost, they ought to cost about the same as each of the separators in a home vacuum.

when an entire Shop-Vac with hose and nozzles is less than $80 at Lowes, $200 for one nozzle seems pricey. having to buy the second in/outlet adapter set to hook up the other hose just seems greedy.
<soap box mode: off>

of course, I still find myself looking at the Woodcraft #149162 version and hoping for a good sale.

Ivan

oldc6 · Post by **oldc6** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:10 pm

SHOPNOTES magazine, the latest issue shows a real neat cart to mount shop vac and oneida system.......

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:35 pm

While I can't find it listed any where I'm almost certain I saw a vortex dust separator that goes on a 5 gallon bucket at Woodcraft for $99 with or without the bucket. They had two prices and I can't remember which was which or the exact amount.

If I remember correctly the thing was made from clear or nearly clear plastic.

Found it at Rockler
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page ... e=googleps

I also think Woodcraft has one similar

Finally found it at Woodcraft should search more before I post it would save so many edits
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/202101 ... ckets.aspx

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:22 pm

I would like to hear from someone that has one of these.
In my remodel I ended up having to refinish the surface of my dry wall.
Long story but sufficient to say I will never put wallpaper on dry wall again.

In any case to refinish the surface we sanded it, skim coated it was joint compound, sanded it smooth, skim coated again and did a final sanding followed by primer and two coats of paint.

We used about 10 gallon of joint compound and I believe we probably sanded off 8 gallons (read this to say LOTS of dust). A normal shop vac filter would plug up in a 5 minutes of clean up. You had to remove it, take it out and brush and beat it gently on grass to clean it. Reinstal it and vac 5 minutes and repeat. I used my Dc3300 but noticed a fair amount of dust would get through the bag. So I left it outside and just had the hose in the house. This really helped during the actual sanding to keep the dust down but we still had a sizeable pile on the floor that the shop vac was best at cleaning up.
Yes I know most vac manufactures offer filter bags to prevent dust build up on the filter cartridge but I would like something else.

Do these vortex separators work for things as fine as dry wall dust?

By the way I had some pro's in the to do finish what the contractor was hired to do. They used a Porter Cable shop vac that had an auto filter shake when you turned the vac off. When they hit the stop button the blower/vac motor would stop but the thing sat there shaking. They showed me how it worked and it was slick. It had like orbital sander mechcanism that shook the filter.
They had a remote switch so they would flip it off an on every few minutes and they could vaccum dust.