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Where can I find the table stop pin on the trunnion?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:36 pm
by osx-addict
I'm following the shopsmith directions in the owners manual and in the section for the table alignment (0 degree setting specifically), it talks about depressing the table stop pin.. I see it in the parts list but can't find it on the table.. Any ideas on what I should be looking for? Thx!

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:43 pm
by osx-addict
Nevermind.. I found it on the rear trunnion.. It's way out of alignment.. :(

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:48 pm
by dusty
osx-addict wrote:I'm following the shopsmith directions in the owners manual and in the section for the table alignment (0 degree setting specifically), it talks about depressing the table stop pin.. I see it in the parts list but can't find it on the table.. Any ideas on what I should be looking for? Thx!

I have two photos that were taken for another purpose but might help you.

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This photo shows the table stop pin. It is on top of the trunnion and has a spring that you can barely see in this photo.

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This photo is of the other trunnion which is obscured somewhat by a piece of aluminum rail. I hope thesehelps you locate the stop pin.

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Underside of Main Table.

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:09 pm
by osx-addict
Thanks Dusty for the photos! Now, since mine is out of alignment, I'm having a hard time finding what I need to adjust to fix it so that when the stop pin is depressed, that it locks in at 0 degrees.. Right now it's probably near 5 degrees give or take.. I don't see what the directions want me to fiddle with -- something under the saw table insert using a wrench.. I looked at the front & rear trunnions but didn't see anything obvious..

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:36 am
by dusty
osx-addict wrote:Thanks Dusty for the photos! Now, since mine is out of alignment, I'm having a hard time finding what I need to adjust to fix it so that when the stop pin is depressed, that it locks in at 0 degrees.. Right now it's probably near 5 degrees give or take.. I don't see what the directions want me to fiddle with -- something under the saw table insert using a wrench.. I looked at the front & rear trunnions but didn't see anything obvious..

The stop pin that you had depressed strikes a bolt head when you tilt the table to 0*. There is another bolt identical to it on the other trunnion. You must adjust these bolts to acquire the proper table position.

NOTE: The stop pin is NOT part of the adjustment procedure for 0*. Adjust for 0* by using a good square or some other sort of angle indicator (I use a Wizey Gauge). Using the square, set the table for 90* to the blade and then set the stop bolts using the stop pin.

The stop pin is for use when returning the table to 0* after doing some other operation.

I do not believe there was ever a Sawdust Session made that presented the table alignment and I do not know about the new DVDs. However, Shopsmith sells a DVD that I would recommend. It is The Shopsmith Journals by Rick Davis. He does an excellent job of presenting the setup procedures. Rick was a Traveling Academy instructor.

http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/DVD_alignment.htm This abbreviated demontration just happens to address a small part of your question.

Also, if you do not have a Shopsmith Manual, I strongly recommend that you obtain one.

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:34 am
by osx-addict
Thanks Dusty! I actually have the Shopsmith Journal DVD that covers alignment but didn't see this particular item in the video. I also notice that he does some stuff differently than the manual does such as using the saw blade instead of the sand paper disk (sans paper) to avoid slight bends in the disk. The method used on the video entails using a 5/8" "L" allen wrench through the miter gauage but I didn't have one long enough so I just followed whats in the SS manual.. Anyway, I'll take a peek at this later tonight to see if I can find the stop bolts.

I realize that this pin is not part of the 0 degree adjustment and was able to get the table pretty well aligned using a combination square otherwise. I was just trying to follow the various steps in the manual. I had to go out last night and buy a 1/2"x12 dowel to use when following the miter guage alignment but haven't got that far yet... Anyway, all the steps prior to the miter guage alignment are done and set. So far so good..

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:30 am
by dusty
osx-addict wrote:Thanks Dusty! I actually have the Shopsmith Journal DVD that covers alignment but didn't see this particular item in the video. I also notice that he does some stuff differently than the manual does such as using the saw blade instead of the sand paper disk (sans paper) to avoid slight bends in the disk. The method used on the video entails using a 5/8" "L" allen wrench through the miter gauage but I didn't have one long enough so I just followed whats in the SS manual.. Anyway, I'll take a peek at this later tonight to see if I can find the stop bolts.

I realize that this pin is not part of the 0 degree adjustment and was able to get the table pretty well aligned using a combination square otherwise. I was just trying to follow the various steps in the manual. I had to go out last night and buy a 1/2"x12 dowel to use when following the miter guage alignment but haven't got that far yet... Anyway, all the steps prior to the miter guage alignment are done and set. So far so good..

We all have our own preferences in how to complete these alignments. Those procedures produced by Shopsmith all work and provide good, reliable results but many of us have incorporated our own little changes.

I recommend that you follow the procedure at least until you feel very comfortable with the machine and its various differences. Then make whatever changes suit you.

Good luck and please don't hesitate to ask further questions.

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:32 pm
by osx-addict
Thanks for the insight.. Watching the aforementioned DVD, I was easily able to clean & lube up the headstock -- a task I was frankly not looking forward to. However, in hindsight I found it very easy and the internals of the headstock more simple than I was expecting. I even found a can of TopCote at my local Rockler so I could get things done ASAP...Unfortunately for me, I decided several months ago to remove the headstock from the tubes so it would be 'easier' to service. While the servicing was easy on a bench, getting the far end of the tubes back into the headstock holes proved difficult while mounted on the SS base. After much frustration I ended up removing the tubes completely from their mounts and put them into the headstock on my bench. I then tightened the headstock to hold the tubes and proceeded (with the help of my 12 year old daughter) to get things reassembled. Unfortunately it took me about 3-4 tries because we kept assembling it backwards or upside down, etc.. In hindsight we must have seemed like a pair of clowns but it came out in the end.. That headstock does get heavy after a while though.. Anyway, the stand is all put back together and we'll proceed with our adjustments this week.. :)

My daughter found some kids toy books over at Rockler for 50% off so the kids are excited to make some goodies.. If I can make a box first that is at a minimum -- square, I'll be happy!

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:56 pm
by Ed in Tampa
osx-addict wrote:Nevermind.. I found it on the rear trunnion.. It's way out of alignment.. :(

This shouldn't be a the rear trunion it should be on the front trunion near where you tighten the tilt control. If it is in fact on the rear trunion someone swapped the trunions. This might be why you can find what you need to adjust the table to ) degrees.

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:58 pm
by osx-addict
Ed in Tampa wrote:This shouldn't be a the rear trunion it should be on the front trunion near where you tighten the tilt control. If it is in fact on the rear trunion someone swapped the trunions. This might be why you can find what you need to adjust the table to ) degrees.
Hmm.. I thought it was a bit odd to have on the rear of the machine but didn't give it much thought beyond that. However, I should note that the quill extension handle was also on the rear side of the machine which I only noticed yesterday afternoon.. It sounds like I might need to take the table apart and reassemble it properly. Should there be any gotchas' to look out for? I'm assuming it should be straightforward using a wrench or two, etc.