Under a tarp for 13 years

peterm · Post by **peterm** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:06 pm

A couple days ago, I bought a 510, which the seller said "was kept under a tarp outdoors for the last 13 years". It was missing a few necessary items (miter gauge, drill chuck, lathe drive arbor) but I got it for $140. I have dropped the motor and turned it on, ran very smoothly. The motor pulley will need disassembly I think, since it is stuck. I expected the unit to be much more rusty than it is. The way tubes have a little light rust and should shine up nicely. The base tubes are quite rusted and will require turning and lots of sanding. I checked out a local source (Princess Auto) for Evaporust, which I read on this forum will save a lot of work, but they did not have it. They do carry a product similar to Naval Jelly.

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This quill is stuck. The head is pretty clean inside.

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I suspect corrosion freezing the quill to the aluminum head.
The pipes on the tables look like this :

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1. Any thoughts on how to free the quill? I took out the setscrew and am squirting in penetrating oil.
2. What is the best way to shine up the table pipes?
Thanks for any advice.

peterm · Post by **peterm** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:15 pm

Here are a few more photos:

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The speed dial is in good condition, as is the porkchop. The idler shaft came out easily and the pulley cleaned up and now slides smoothly on the shaft.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:13 am

Navel jelly is acid, and attacks the 'good' iron as well as the rust. If you can rig up a long skinny electrolysis container(plastic sheet in a crate), it is quite inexpensive, and does not attack the 'good stuff'.(see mickyd's setup) The less abrasives the better(use them to polish, not 'remove' rust).

I would remove the quill feed shaft prior to attacking the 'stuck' quill. That would allow more aggressive(further motion) rotation.

Looks pretty decent considering its 'history'.

P.S. I be curious what the od of the poly-v pulley on the main shaft is. I assume yer power source is 50Hz.Never mind. I was 'thinking' New Zealand, not New Scotland!

P.P.S. Is that a 'french' lathe speed chart on the motor pan?

peterm · Post by **peterm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:10 am

Thanks for the advice jpg. No naval jelly! Good thought about removing the quill feed shaft, will do so. What is the best way to apply some force to the quill?....I'm reluctant to wack it with a big hammer! I will try to rotate it with a strap wrench. By the way, the shaft spins freely so the bearings seem fine.

Judging from the lack of much wear (there is some) on the porkchop and idler pulley, I think this machine has not been used much.

Good catch on the label......... SS's sold in Canada came with all labels in both English and French, at least the ones I have seen..

I have never used electrolysis but I do have a car battery so that would be interesting to try. I will search the forum, lots of info on "how" there.

The serial number is 110888 which means built in Aug 1988?

The rust in the end cover would tend to confirm the seller's 13 yrs. story.

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ddvann79 · Post by **ddvann79** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:08 pm

Maybe these folks can help you find a local carrier of Evaporust.

Evapo-Rust Distributor - Canada
KPR Adcor, Inc.
2 King Street West Jackson Station
Hamilton, ON L8P 4W9
CANADA
kpr@corrosionvci.com
905-628-3232
ATTN: Rick Kozuch

I HIGHLY recommend it. I soaked my way tubes in a 50/50 solution of Evaporust and water in a 3" x 5' PVC pipe with a cap on one end with great success. I absolutely hate Naval Jelly and wouldn't use it for anything more than quick surface rust removal. I don't think it works nearly as well in cold temps either.

For loosening the quill, I applied Liquid Wrench penetrating oil to my SS every day for about a week. If you have PB Blaster available, that's great stuff. After that, the quill feed was able to extend the quill. FYI, once its' moving, placing a 2x2 behind it to force out the drive shaft is pretty handy. Be sure to apply plenty of penetrating oil here too.

Mickyd used a fine brass brush to remove tarnish on his tables. Here's his link on reconditioning the tubes and the rest of his restoration.

Sawdust Session on Cleaning and Inspection
Sawdust Session on Rust Treatments

ddvann79 · Post by **ddvann79** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:09 pm

Nova Scotia? And I've been complaining about 20 degree weather here in Texas, eh.

peterm · Post by **peterm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:03 pm

Dalton
Thank you for the info and links to pertinent messages, they will be very helpful.

KPR Adcor (Evaporust) in Ontario tell me there is no Canadian distributor except them and they sell only in minimum 5 gal. So I will likely try the electrolysis method. EDIT: Contrary to what I understood, Evaporust is available at Busy Bee, Cdn Tire, and other places, which I discovered by going here:http://www.evaporust.ca/wheretobuyit/

I am using 3in1 penetrating oil from a spray can on the quill, because that is what I happened to have.

We are having a normal winter so far here in NS. About 6" snow on my lawn and temp today is 30 deg (F), 17 deg with wind chill. Mean temp in winter is about 28 deg, due to warming effect of the surrounding Atlantic, but we do get down to -10 deg or lower occasionally.

EDIT: update...I got the quill out using Channel-locs. It was stuck in by some corrosion and some raised areas on the slot caused by someone screwing down the setscrew when it was not lined up with the slot.

peterm · Post by **peterm** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:02 pm

Update: Refurb went well and the 510 looks and runs pretty good now. I ended up painting the base ends, legs, table edges and carriage because of large areas where the aluminum had corroded under the original paint. More evidence that it really did live outdoors under a tarp.

Unfortunately, had to use a lighter grey enamel (what I had already), could not find a better match locally and did not want to take the time to do better. In a hurry to get on with it, I ended up turning the base pipes in my metal lathe, using succesively finer emery paper. Took about 1/2 hr to shine them up adequately. There are still some areas of darker discolouration. Here are a couple of pictures.
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Update to the update: A week ago, I ran across and bought a very nice 510 with nearly all the standard goodies (missing an upper saw guard, which arrived yesterday off Ebay) which had no rust , just lots of sawdust, so it is a keeper and the one described above is now listed locally for sale. Thanks for all the advice along the way.

wannabewoodworker · Post by **wannabewoodworker** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:11 am

Very nice find for $140. That will come in handy!