Our favorite whipping post is prevailing!
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Our favorite whipping post is prevailing!
Just heard on radio - Consumer Protection Agency to study creating new saw standards ala Saw Stop!:mad:
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Just read an article yesterday in Bloomberg Busnessweek about this. For more info I offer the following URL:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_25/b4233032712156.htm
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_25/b4233032712156.htm
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Richard
There is no doubt that Gass is once again on the move with an objective of capturing for his own purpose at least some of our discretionary funds. This article makes that clear.
Within the referenced article are some highlights that are worth reading. There is no doubt that the table saw can be the source of some serious injury BUT, like guns, the table saw does not cause fingers to be amputated - THE USER DOES. Stay out of that "RED ZONE" and the saw will not be able to inflict serious injury.
For whatever it is worth - I believe the SawStop is a fantastic innovation and I agree that there should be many more of them. What I seriously object to is the legal maneuvering by Gass and associates to make its application mandatory. If Gass is so interested in saving my fingers, I would suspect that he could best achieve that by making his invention available to me without collecting a fee for himself. Until he does that, it is obvious, to me at least, that he is in this for his own financial gain and not my safety.
I read these many articles forever fearful that I am going to read about a fellow Shopsmith user who has been injured. Please do not let that happen to you. Keep your SS and all of the accessories properly aligned, read and comply with the safety rules and avoid a painful and costly trip to the ER. We do not need to become a statistic to help Gass make his point.
You do have all your guards and safety equipment in place, RIGHT? Don't forget the one on the jointer. Turn that puppy on and just watch those blades while thinking "What would that do to my "PUSH HAND". How many push blocks do you own? I have four so that there is never an excuse and I use them religiously.
Within the referenced article are some highlights that are worth reading. There is no doubt that the table saw can be the source of some serious injury BUT, like guns, the table saw does not cause fingers to be amputated - THE USER DOES. Stay out of that "RED ZONE" and the saw will not be able to inflict serious injury.
For whatever it is worth - I believe the SawStop is a fantastic innovation and I agree that there should be many more of them. What I seriously object to is the legal maneuvering by Gass and associates to make its application mandatory. If Gass is so interested in saving my fingers, I would suspect that he could best achieve that by making his invention available to me without collecting a fee for himself. Until he does that, it is obvious, to me at least, that he is in this for his own financial gain and not my safety.
I read these many articles forever fearful that I am going to read about a fellow Shopsmith user who has been injured. Please do not let that happen to you. Keep your SS and all of the accessories properly aligned, read and comply with the safety rules and avoid a painful and costly trip to the ER. We do not need to become a statistic to help Gass make his point.
You do have all your guards and safety equipment in place, RIGHT? Don't forget the one on the jointer. Turn that puppy on and just watch those blades while thinking "What would that do to my "PUSH HAND". How many push blocks do you own? I have four so that there is never an excuse and I use them religiously.
MarkFive510
I don't see anything wrong here...unless the technology doesn't work, its generally a good thing to increase safety. I liken it to airbags - sure, they add to the cost of a vehicle, but they also add significantly to the safety.
Seems like there are two issues here:
1) cost - yeah, paying more for already expensive tools sucks
2) shopsmiths - whether shopsmith could/would issue a retrofit that would allow this to be used. I think they actually could do so pretty easily. On a poly-V you technically just need the blade brake, because the v-belt will slip. Naturally, you would ideally have some way to either shutdown the motor or disengage it (either electrically, or via a shear pin of some sort).
Maybe I am too young to understand, but in general I don't look at a RAS without guards and whatnot as "awesome"...simply dangerous. with reasonable safety gear that doesn't get in the way its a win-win.
Besides, if you never trigger the break its a one-time cost. If you do, it prevents a much bigger one-time (and possibly last-time) cost.
Seems like there are two issues here:
1) cost - yeah, paying more for already expensive tools sucks
2) shopsmiths - whether shopsmith could/would issue a retrofit that would allow this to be used. I think they actually could do so pretty easily. On a poly-V you technically just need the blade brake, because the v-belt will slip. Naturally, you would ideally have some way to either shutdown the motor or disengage it (either electrically, or via a shear pin of some sort).
Maybe I am too young to understand, but in general I don't look at a RAS without guards and whatnot as "awesome"...simply dangerous. with reasonable safety gear that doesn't get in the way its a win-win.
Besides, if you never trigger the break its a one-time cost. If you do, it prevents a much bigger one-time (and possibly last-time) cost.
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-- I have parts/SPTs available, so if you are in the Seattle area and need something let me know --
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That's certainly good advice, but if the saw kicks back, it can pull a hand that is out of the red zone into the red zone. Splitters and other passive safety systems like blade guards and push sticks can help reduce the risk, but not completely eliminate blade to hand contact. Sawstop does something to reduce the injury if that accident happens.BigSky wrote: the table saw does not cause fingers to be amputated - THE USER DOES. Stay out of that "RED ZONE" and the saw will not be able to inflict serious injury.
By that measure, every company that sells safety equipment for any purpose ought to give it away. Not very realistic. Certainly will stifle innovation of new safety devices.BigSky wrote: If Gass is so interested in saving my fingers, I would suspect that he could best achieve that by making his invention available to me without collecting a fee for himself. Until he does that, it is obvious, to me at least, that he is in this for his own financial gain and not my safety.
To reduce cost of the Saw Stop the manufacturing will, of course, be overseas. And, like the Shopsmith itself, the patent will expire and eventually clones of the technology will become the mainstay.
Legislation births and kills businesses. I'm fine with that. I'm not fine with what will be inflated prices for the product as well as what may end up being something far more difficult to work on. All because idiots forget where to put their hand in relation to the blade. Like everything these days, we build to the idiots, every kid gets a trophy no matter who wins and everything is evaluated for "fairness".
Sorry to rant. I almost cut my thumb off on a tablesaw. I took painkillers and learned a lesson. I never thought to sue anyone.
Legislation births and kills businesses. I'm fine with that. I'm not fine with what will be inflated prices for the product as well as what may end up being something far more difficult to work on. All because idiots forget where to put their hand in relation to the blade. Like everything these days, we build to the idiots, every kid gets a trophy no matter who wins and everything is evaluated for "fairness".
Sorry to rant. I almost cut my thumb off on a tablesaw. I took painkillers and learned a lesson. I never thought to sue anyone.
Memo to the Consumer protection Agency:
Life is tough and it's tougher when you're Stupid!
Maybe, instead of mandating that the industry fall in line with Gass's greed, they should require that prospective tool purchasers pass an IQ test.
Life is tough and it's tougher when you're Stupid!
Maybe, instead of mandating that the industry fall in line with Gass's greed, they should require that prospective tool purchasers pass an IQ test.
Gene
'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton
'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton
I'd just like to say that Gass DOESN'T trust his own product. Why else wood he use a hot dog in the demo?
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algale, you are absolutely correct. Gass has a right to profit from his invention, as does anyone else who places a product or service on the market.
I did not state it well but my true feelings are this: Gass should not be allowed to benefit from something that is forced upon future buyers. He has invented and marketed the SawStop and he should benefit from that in keeping with the market place.
I just do not want to see a law put in place that mandates that all future saws sold must incorporate that technology. Let the market place make that decision. Let the SawStop take its position in the market based on its own virtues and NOT because of still another law forced upon us by a government agency.
I did not state it well but my true feelings are this: Gass should not be allowed to benefit from something that is forced upon future buyers. He has invented and marketed the SawStop and he should benefit from that in keeping with the market place.
I just do not want to see a law put in place that mandates that all future saws sold must incorporate that technology. Let the market place make that decision. Let the SawStop take its position in the market based on its own virtues and NOT because of still another law forced upon us by a government agency.
MarkFive510