Interesting and Discouraging

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:44 am

I found this on another forum and thought it might be of interest to some. This is not a new subject and I'll not do my normal rant but....

http://www.cpsc.gov/about/CPSIA/smbus/m ... urers.html

Gene Howe · Post by **Gene Howe** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:23 am

What you posted, Dusty, doesn't seem that bad.
I wouldn't think lead content or Phthalates concerns would apply to many wooden toys made by the average grandpa.

Can you even buy leaded paint any more? And, since the Nauga is an endangered species, we've all quit using their hyde so Phthalates isn't an issue.

Seriously, vinyl, even in coatings, is easy to avoid.

pennview · Post by **pennview** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:25 am

Perhaps one should put a label on whatever is made that says it is not to be used by anyone under the age of 13.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:00 am

Gene Howe wrote:What you posted, Dusty, doesn't seem that bad.
I wouldn't think lead content or Phthalates concerns would apply to many wooden toys made by the average grandpa.

Can you even buy leaded paint any more? And, since the Nauga is an endangered species, we've all quit using their hyde so Phthalates isn't an issue.

Seriously, vinyl, even in coatings, is easy to avoid.

I am very careful about everything that I make for the kids, grandkids and great grandkids and I am not sure that these restrictions even apply to me since I "manufacture" nothing. The last thing I would want is for something bad to happen as a result of something I gave them. I would never be able to forgive myself.

What I give the kids often gets used by other youngsters. I would feel just as bad but would probably worry even more about possible consequences.

Then there is the question: Can we really do anything these days that is not policed by "Big Brother"?

wiredone · Post by **wiredone** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:40 am

dusty wrote:I am very careful about everything that I make for the kids, grandkids and great grandkids and I am not sure that these restrictions even apply to me since I "manufacture" nothing. The last thing I would want is for something bad to happen as a result of something I gave them. I would never be able to forgive myself.

What I give the kids often gets used by other youngsters. I would feel just as bad but would probably worry even more about possible consequences.

Then there is the question: Can we really do anything these days that is not policed by "Big Brother"?

It would seem Dusty, only if you don't get caught.
We are now entering an age when ordinary citizens must become outlaws to continue to be good citizens. Good citizens are the ones who question authority.

robinson46176 · Post by **robinson46176** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:09 am

Just remember that statements of enforcement and actual enforcement or even the ability to enforce are often a million miles apart...
It is common practice these days (and is not something I necessarily condone) to pass very strongly worded laws and then drop back to "selective" enforcement usually based on more extreme violators. In reality the laws are rarely enforced at all levels but are written the way they are just so there are "teeth" available when needed. Again, not saying I approve... Just how it is.
The biggest problem occurs when some bureaucratic Barny Fife does not know when to just back away and engage the common sense gear.

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Gene Howe · Post by **Gene Howe** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:18 am

dusty wrote: Then there is the question: Can we really do anything these days that is not policed by "Big Brother"?

Don't think so. Example: the laws regarding the amt. of water per flush.

pennview · Post by **pennview** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:50 am

Dusty, from that web page in you original post -- Who is considered to be a manufacturer?

Anyone who makes, produces or assembles a product is considered to be a manufacturer. If what you make is sold or donated, something as simple as adding ribbons to hair clips, knitting hats, or stringing beads into necklaces makes you a manufacturer. Under the law, importers are also considered to be manufacturers and must meet the same requirements.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:45 pm

pennview wrote:Dusty, from that web page in you original post -- Who is considered to be a manufacturer?

Anyone who makes, produces or assembles a product is considered to be a manufacturer. If what you make is sold or donated, something as simple as adding ribbons to hair clips, knitting hats, or stringing beads into necklaces makes you a manufacturer. Under the law, importers are also considered to be manufacturers and must meet the same requirements.

I guess the real question is the stuff made for my own kids (grand kids). I put it together but I don't manufacture anything and I do not sell it.

I've tried to get a clear answer through official channels and still have the question. I have gotten responses but they all read like a foreign language (legalese).

beeg · Post by **beeg** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:28 pm

Dusty you ARE a manufacturer.