Schedule a Meeting · Talk to a real woodworker: +1 937-890-5197 · 8:00AM – 4:30PM ET

Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More

JPG

jsburger wrote
everettdavis wroteJohn Burger now has what I hope is the finished copy of the Restored 10E Preliminary Manual that I have been working on for months.

Once he approves the final copy, I will post an update that it is available after I post it to My Google Drive.

I spent a lot of time on this document and have added significant content not available in either of the earlier restored Owner's Guides for the 10E and 10ER that came later.

Everett
I got back today so I will start to read your effort. It hardly requires my approval but thank you for that comment. I will try to get it done before the end of the week. Your efforts are very much appreciated.

Yer supposed to be finding ALL errors! :D

jsburger

JPG wrote
jsburger wrote
everettdavis wroteJohn Burger now has what I hope is the finished copy of the Restored 10E Preliminary Manual that I have been working on for months.

Once he approves the final copy, I will post an update that it is available after I post it to My Google Drive.

I spent a lot of time on this document and have added significant content not available in either of the earlier restored Owner's Guides for the 10E and 10ER that came later.

Everett
I got back today so I will start to read your effort. It hardly requires my approval but thank you for that comment. I will try to get it done before the end of the week. Your efforts are very much appreciated.
Yer supposed to be finding ALL errors! :D

I will try my best but from past experience there will not be many.

JPG

jsburger wrote

I will try my best but from past experience there will not be many.

I DO understand that!!! ;)

everettdavis

As we approach the publication of the Magna Shopsmith 10E Preliminary Manual Restoration, I have published on the main page something that without Skip Campbell’s tireless work in gathering a base serial number and configuration registry a few years ago would not have been possible.

Skip Campbell’s 10E - 10ER survey by Serial modified by Everett L Davis.PDF contains his registry, and additional information, including photographs. Yes it is word searchable.

In the upcoming restored preliminary manual, which would not have been possible without John S. Burger who preserved the only known surviving original, I have included Addendum's with material not found in it or within any of the previously restored manuals. I hope to release that next week in My Google Drive in the 10E / 10ER Folder.

Appendix C for example will cover the various changes that occurred through the years, with photo examples for the Model 10E through the 10ER.

It also has data on a model and headstock casting that I personally refer to as the Model 10.

Everett

jsburger

everettdavis wroteAs we approach the publication of the Magna Shopsmith 10E Preliminary Manual Restoration, I have published on the main page something that without Skip Campbell’s tireless work in gathering a base serial number and configuration registry a few years ago would not have been possible.

Skip Campbell’s 10E - 10ER survey by Serial modified by Everett L Davis.PDF contains his registry, and additional information, including photographs. Yes it is word searchable.

In the upcoming restored preliminary manual, which would not have been possible without John S. Burger who preserved the only known surviving original, I have included Addendum's with material not found in it or within any of the previously restored manuals. I hope to release that next week in My Google Drive in the 10E / 10ER Folder.

Appendix C for example will cover the various changes that occurred through the years, with photo examples for the Model 10E through the 10ER.

It also has data on a model and headstock casting that I personally refer to as the Model 10.

Everett

The first 10ER I bought is listed in Skip's registry. I sent him the info on the other 4 I have but he never added them. I can send you the info if you would like to add them. Just let me know.

reible

I don't see the one I gave my brother nor the one I have. I sent the information to him but I think he never added the data.

It would be up to you to "own" it I guess but I'm sure we could add a few more machines to the list if you wanted to.

Ed

everettdavis

reible wroteI don't see the one I gave my brother nor the one I have. I sent the information to him but I think he never added the data.

It would be up to you to "own" it I guess but I'm sure we could add a few more machines to the list if you wanted to.

Ed

Ed, I understand your request and respect the issue, yet I do not wish to in any way take over the data from Skip who did the heavy lifting and owns the data in my mind.

We haven't spoken about it at all and I will not take it over myself, but will help in any way I can.

I suspect some of these machines changed hands since the survey, and will continue to do so.

This could explode into a major task and flood someone with requests that could be a problem for anyone.

Reach out to Skip again and see what he wants to do

My mission in what I did was educational in nature.

When the 10E preliminary manual is released I have an expanded section on both changes and the serial number survey.

Before Skip put all the data together, we had nothing of this information.

Everett

everettdavis

It is finished!

With much appreciation to John S. Burger who helped proofreading the Restored Magna Shopsmith 10E Preliminary Manual.

It has been published on My Google Drive in the 10E & 10ER MAGNA folder. See Post 1 in this thread.

In the original document there were no appendices. There are extensive appendices added with content collections not available in this form anywhere previously. I would invite you to carefully examine Appendix C for example. It chronicles the changes introduced in the original machine through the 10ER.

It has taken a good bit of time, and I appreciate everyone’s patience and encouragement along the way.

It is listed as V1.01 since in addition to the material restored from V1.0, there is more, actually very much more included. Should I discover more, there may be a V1.02 etc.

I would be remiss if I did not once again thank John S. Burger for recognizing and preserving perhaps the only surviving original copy of this important document, known to exist anywhere in the world.

The existence of this rare document actually provided the inspiration to both restore it, then extend and expand it, and donate it to the World Wide Shopsmith Community. I hope you find it educational, and of value.

Everett

everettdavis

I have renamed this thread to:

"Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More"

Everett

everettdavis

I uploaded MarkVII Shopsmith Cam.SKF file for those who might be considering making one.

I have no equipment to do one myself.

Someone else took the time to create this. I appologize in advance for not knowing who that person is and giving them the credit for the work as I came across it in the wild so to speak.

It would not suprise me at all to find it was James Grange Sr. as JPG has done so much for others here.

It is in the Mark VII - 1960's vintage file folder on My Google Drive. See first post in thread for link.

Everett

Mark VII Cam 3D View.png

JPG

No me did not create the skf, but I do recall providing measurements to 'someone' here.

everettdavis

I have just returned from a week in Dayton Ohio and am beginning the task of cleaning up, squaring and despeckling a cache of photos and other materials Dr. Hans Goldschmidt gave Shopsmith from his personal collection for records preservation several decades ago.

Bob Folkerth provided me access to that cache of information that I will make available in the coming weeks and months in My Google Drive.

See link on the first page of this thread.

Today I posted a photo (in a large format PDF) of the first Shopsmith made 0001 which closely resembles the patent application, more than it does the 10E.

I took extensive photographs in the factory in Dayton and can attest personally that many of the early 10E / 10ER's used in the production of the early machines, and later the 1950's Mark 5, are still in use today.

They are providing the same machining accuracy they have for the last 60 years as they produce the Power Pro Mark 7 to the exactly same dimensions, and tolerances.

See New Folder "From Dr. Hans Goldschmidt"

Everett

jsburger

Wow, this is great. We will finally see some things that we have only speculated about in the past. Everett, you are truly wonderful. Thank you!!! :) :) :)

JPG

jsburger wroteWow, this is great. We will finally see some things that we have only speculated about in the past. Everett, you are truly wonderful. Thank you!!! :) :) :)

That is an understatement on ALL counts!

everettdavis

I started to put this in the Hans Tidbits thread, or in the First Shopsmith ever made thread but considering it has both Drawings and Photos alike, I decided this would be a better choice since it will be in the My Google Drive at some point, and certainly in the upcoming book.

There's not much in the Hans Sub-directory yet but I am working on that. From the names alone, you can see some of what's coming.

Back to this issue....

Hans Goldschmidt said in an interview with John R. Folkerth what drove him to create the 5 in one woodworking tool in the first place. The interview came as John R. Folkerth visited with Hans Goldschmidt and his wife Ilsa at their California home in 1979.

"I brought (Shopsmith) model to Bob (Chambers) for him to tell me what I should do with it. From there I bought a Drill Press and used that as the headstock. I also bought an old saw and a saw table and took a couple of knobs off my chair and built a working machine.

Although I personally found nothing in the files that I scanned from Hans’s collection in May 2018 in Dayton, to confirm it was this drill press, the photo of sn 0001 did.

I did some parallel research externally and I found out that the Drill Press he used for a prototype Headstock in the vintage of a 1930 - 1940 Craftsman. I used 1940 model 101.03622 for the parts illustration I mocked up.

I have attached a photo of two from VintageMachinery.Org of that era and cut away some of the components in an illustrated parts list of one them to allow folks to see the roots of the prototype. Hans added a wooden plate below, and crafted the two rail system that remains to this date.

Remember, his invention premise was to take 5 existing tools and combine them in such a way that one powerhead (Headstock) could drive them yielding more tools in less space for less money.

The 1940's parts list had part names for drill presses in general that remained in the Shopsmith nomenclature.

Things such as Quill, Spindle etc. were commonplace terms in the industry. - Everett

[attachment=1]$matches[2][/attachment]

Edit: This should help you visualize it better....

Craftsman Drill Press Used By Hans for Prototype showing how machines could be combined into 5 tools.png

Hans Prototype with Craftsman Drill Press head for headstock.png

jsburger

everettdavis wroteI started to put this in the Hans Tidbits thread, or in the First Shopsmith ever made thread but considering it has both Drawings and Photos alike, I decided this would be a better choice since it will be in the My Google Drive at some point, and certainly in the upcoming book.

There's not much in the Hans Sub-directory yet but I am working on that. From the names alone, you can see some of what's coming.

Back to this issue....

Hans Goldschmidt said in an interview with John R. Folkerth what drove him to create the 5 in one woodworking tool in the first place. The interview came as John R. Folkerth visited with Hans Goldschmidt and his wife Ilsa at their California home in 1979.

"I brought (Shopsmith) model to Bob (Chambers) for him to tell me what I should do with it. From there I bought a Drill Press and used that as the headstock. I also bought an old saw and a saw table and took a couple of knobs off my chair and built a working machine.

Although I personally found nothing in the files that I scanned from Hans’s collection in May 2018 in Dayton, to confirm it was this drill press, the photo of sn 0001 did.

I did some parallel research externally and I found out that the Drill Press he used for a prototype Headstock in the vintage of a 1930 - 1940 Craftsman. I used 1940 model 101.03622 for the parts illustration I mocked up.

I have attached a photo of two from VintageMachinery.Org of that era and cut away some of the components in an illustrated parts list of one them to allow folks to see the roots of the prototype. Hans added a wooden plate below, and crafted the two rail system that remains to this date.

Remember, his invention premise was to take 5 existing tools and combine them in such a way that one powerhead (Headstock) could drive them yielding more tools in less space for less money.

The 1940's parts list had part names for drill presses in general that remained in the Shopsmith nomenclature.

Things such as Quill, Spindle etc. were commonplace terms in the industry. - Everett

$matches[2]

Edit: This should help you visualize it better....

Hans Prototype with Craftsman Drill Press head for headstock.png

Everett, you are truly a blessing to our community. :) Thank you for all you are doing. That picture of the first SS is amazing. It is very easy to see how it morphed into the first production 10E's.

rjent

Brother Everett, you are a true Shopsmith hero. Well done my friend!

JPG

Put me on the list for a copy of the book!(whatever the cost)

jsburger

JPG wrotePut me on the list for a copy of the book!(whatever the cost)

Me too!!!

everettdavis

Hans Goldschmidt's idea of having 5 or more tools driven from a single power source was not a new concept as can be seen from the stationary 1932 Sears Driver Power Home Workshop driven by a single motor.

This was being marketed 15 years before the 1947 Shopsmith invention. Indeed even this Driver Based Power Workshop was a scaled down version of the Waterwheel with distributed Belt and Pulley Systems in use in factories, and borrowed from those design elements.

What made Hans invention so unique was the mobility and convertibility of advanced capacity (compared to hobby or craft) power tools to another all driven by the same headstock, and the multiple ways in which adjustments could be made between tools while retaining the table tilt and miter angles between tool setups that could be stored in the space of a bicycle.

Everett

1932 Driver Based Home Workshop from Sears Illustration.png

« Previous Page Next Page »