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Shelf pin idea I like

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I am cutting down some library "stacks" in the library to make more room in there and they have a little different shelf pin design I kind of like.
These stacks (3) were put in about 1979 or so and are a double faced shelf units a little over 3' wide with 8" shelves facing opposite directions. They are a bit over 6' tall. They are also quite heavy. Books are heavy... They sit sticking out perpendicular to the wall. I am cutting them in half to make two 8" deep wall shelves out of each of them to attach flat to the walls so they will not take up so much space out into the floor. Obviously they will still occupy the same number of square feet but around the walls the center of the floor will be a lot more open. That will give us room to put our library table out in the middle of the floor with a couple of chairs at it. We also want to replace a ordinary living room chair in there with a recliner and it can sit more out in the floor. Once I get these cut and mounted I will still need to build similar shelves to install that will much more than double the number of lineal feet of shelves I have now (a bit over 100 feet + a number of small free-standing book shelves). I have a full pickup load of books in the attic and more than a pickup load still stored in our old house (those I need to move right away). The attic books can sit a while. I am taking one end of a 12'x 30' room that shares a wall with the library (about 13'x15') and walling off a den for me which will be about 12'x12'. There is a window (just an opening) between it and the library which I will make into a door. That will be the only access to the den I want a private spot for my writing :) ). Much of the den will be book shelves too. I'll try to remember to take some pictures this afternoon.
Any-who... About those shelf pins... Instead of the usual 1/4" pins of several styles we are used to, these stacks came with bigger and deeper holes (maybe 3/8") and for pins they used short pieces of "all-thread" rod. Each piece has been de-burred on each end. The shelves have small round bottomed grooves at each end of the shelves so that when you slip the pins in the positioning holes in the uprights and place the shelf on them the grooves are at the pins like a saddle and the end of the groove keeps the pin from being able to come out of the hole in the uprights. By being threaded the shelves and uprights are kind of locked together by the threads trying to dig into the surfaces. That would prevent the end uprights from being able to move apart under some sort of stress and dropping te shelves. I hope this makes sense... Like I said, I'll try to remember some pics.



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I have seen something like that but the pins were not threaded rod but special pins just for that purpose.

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robinson46176 wrote:I am cutting down some library "stacks" in the library to make more room in there and they have a little different shelf pin design I kind of like.
These stacks (3) were put in about 1979 or so and are a double faced shelf units a little over 3' wide with 8" shelves facing opposite directions. They are a bit over 6' tall. They are also quite heavy. Books are heavy... They sit sticking out perpendicular to the wall. I am cutting them in half to make two 8" deep wall shelves out of each of them to attach flat to the walls so they will not take up so much space out into the floor. Obviously they will still occupy the same number of square feet but around the walls the center of the floor will be a lot more open. That will give us room to put our library table out in the middle of the floor with a couple of chairs at it. We also want to replace a ordinary living room chair in there with a recliner and it can sit more out in the floor. Once I get these cut and mounted I will still need to build similar shelves to install that will much more than double the number of lineal feet of shelves I have now (a bit over 100 feet + a number of small free-standing book shelves). I have a full pickup load of books in the attic and more than a pickup load still stored in our old house (those I need to move right away). The attic books can sit a while. I am taking one end of a 12'x 30' room that shares a wall with the library (about 13'x15') and walling off a den for me which will be about 12'x12'. There is a window (just an opening) between it and the library which I will make into a door. That will be the only access to the den I want a private spot for my writing :) ). Much of the den will be book shelves too. I'll try to remember to take some pictures this afternoon.
Any-who... About those shelf pins... Instead of the usual 1/4" pins of several styles we are used to, these stacks came with bigger and deeper holes (maybe 3/8") and for pins they used short pieces of "all-thread" rod. Each piece has been de-burred on each end. The shelves have small round bottomed grooves at each end of the shelves so that when you slip the pins in the positioning holes in the uprights and place the shelf on them the grooves are at the pins like a saddle and the end of the groove keeps the pin from being able to come out of the hole in the uprights. By being threaded the shelves and uprights are kind of locked together by the threads trying to dig into the surfaces. That would prevent the end uprights from being able to move apart under some sort of stress and dropping te shelves. I hope this makes sense... Like I said, I'll try to remember some pics.



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Makes a lot of sense. Surprising use of all-thread!
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Here is a picture of 2 of the stacks with all of the books and shelves removed. On the left is half of one I cut in half. It is just sitting there not attached to the wall yet. The library is in a part of the house that is about 175 years old and I will have to do a bit of shimming at the floor to get the shelves to sit exactly level.
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Here is the groove detail of the underside of the shelves where it sits on the "All-thread" pins.
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Here is a shot of the area that will become roughly 12'X12' den (a bit piled up at the moment). The old window at the right will become the door opening from the library.
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This is a shot from the den area the other direction toward the solar room. The wall between this area and the den is planned to be back to back shelves with book shelves on the den side and display shelves on the other side. There may be a glass window with mini-blinds or shutters in that wall.
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I got to use my SS bandsaw today... I have been so busy with horse and other stuff that I have spent almost no time in the woodshop over the summer. I dropped a 2"X4" down on the library floor and laid a 6' level on it. WOW!!! even I didn't realize how far off level that floor was. It didn't look that far off... As I said before, that room and another room which is now split into a large utility room and a "mud hall" were originally built around 175 years ago at another location on this farm. About 1900 a kitchen was torn off of the back of that small house and those two remaining rooms were moved a little over 1/4 mile to this location (not by me :D ). That start has been built onto about 4 times including a 36'X40 addition with a full basement under it. That little house was even moved across a steep valley with a creek (no bridge) all with horses. The foundation built for it then does not show signs of moving or repair and I suspect that it just was not level from the time they built it. Times were different then, especially in the country. A lot of things were eyeballed... It is almost 2" variation across about 15'. I scribed the leveled 2"X4" with a simple school compass and sawed it in the SS bandsaw. I got the book shelves all cut apart and reinstalled 5 sections of the 6. I will probably install the last one tomorrow. Then comes the job of sorting out all of the books that were on them and moving that pickup load of books from our old house and sorting all of those out. Even sorting them out I will still be waaay short of space for the ones I want handy.
I think I am going to be building a lot of book shelves this winter...
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Here are a couple of follow up pictures of the library project showing that I did get the books back on the shelves after cutting those stack units in half. I still have a lot more to do there but stopped for the holiday season. I still have what would make a large pickup truck load of books in storage that I need to creat a home for. Beyond that window in the second picture is the den and I have several sets of smaller book shelves full there.
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