Shopsmith Crafters station reverse switch???

godavid2 · Post by **godavid2** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:13 am

The reverse switch does not work on a crafters station. Bought a new switch from shopsmith, no luck. I sold the unit to a guy in fla. which is a long way from Missouri. Want to help the guy get the reverse going. I did not even know about the reverse on these units until he told me that is what makes them unique and different from the power station. Any suggestions I'm wondering if someone rewired the unit to bypass the reverse. But don't know. thanks for any help in advance. He says the motor is okay.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:37 am

godavid2 wrote:The reverse switch does not work on a crafters station. Bought a new switch from shopsmith, no luck. I sold the unit to a guy in fla. which is a long way from Missouri. Want to help the guy get the reverse going. I did not even know about the reverse on these units until he told me that is what makes them unique and different from the power station. Any suggestions I'm wondering if someone rewired the unit to bypass the reverse. But don't know. thanks for any help in advance. He says the motor is okay.

I have a Crafter Station and when I received it it was inoperative. I had to completely rewire the harness. I'll look for my notes.

There really isn't a reverse switch. There are two switches. One turns it on in one direction and the other turns it on in the reverse direction. The switcheroo is accomplished by a combination of relay contacts. Once understood, it is really quite simple.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:48 am

I have a Crafters Station and I have rewired it. I'll locate my notes and will try to help.

[ATTACH]20474[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH]20475[/ATTACH]

These two drawings depict the relay and the two switches that control the Crafters Station.

In one. the Crafters Station is in forward mode and in the other it is depicted in reverse mode. The relay in conjunction with the switches controls which.

These drawings are worth the value of at least one Crafters Station. Shopsmith documentation was meaningless (at least to me). I had to create these one wire at a time. My wire harness had been scorched (no melted into a glob) when I acquired the CS. I've had no problems with it since the rebuild. I've had it about two years.

I really don't know why it never caught on in the market place.

One word of caution. When it is running and you want to change directions, turn it off and let it come to a complete stop before turning it on in the other mode.

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:27 pm

dusty wrote: I really don't know why it never caught on in the market place.

Oh, they caught on all right! BUT -- Maybe because they didn't work as advertised most of them returned.

SS had particular sales demonstrations selling them. I bought one from such a demo. After using it every day for 6 months, I had to give the shaft a hand turn to help start it. a real Pain! It just wouldn't self start in saw mode. Same with the second machine!:eek:

I personally returned two of them to the factory - the second had been replaced under warranty. I sent the second one back and SS (bless them) gave me full dollar credit toward the purchase of a Mark V. Been happy with Shopsmith ever since:) .

Most users don't have, or wish to apply, Dusty's expertise for electronic repair or just want something they paid for to work!!! I'm sure that customer's dissatisfaction is the reason for discontinuing.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:39 pm

I have heard your report of problems with the Crafters Station before and I still do not understand.

The Crafters Station is really little more than a Power Station with an added switch and a special relay. The motor is the same. It may not be common knowledge but the Power Station motor is reversible.

Maybe users are having the same sort of problems with the Power Stations and we (I) just don't hear about them.

At any rate, if anyone has Crafter Station problems, they can feel free to contact me (by PM) to discuss recovery.

However, I can do nothing to help eliminate the vibration and noise caused by the speed control mechanism in the Power Station (Crafters Station). The issue there is the drive belts pulsate and set up the vibrations.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:11 pm

Dusty, in yer wiring drawings, is CW/CCW as when viewed from the internal motor's point of view?( which would be opposite of the users external point of view looking at the shaft end).

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:14 pm

charlese wrote:Oh, they caught on all right! BUT -- Maybe because they didn't work as advertised most of them returned.

SS had particular sales demonstrations selling them. I bought one from such a demo. After using it every day for 6 months, I had to give the shaft a hand turn to help start it. a real Pain! It just wouldn't self start in saw mode. Same with the second machine!:eek:

I personally returned two of them to the factory - the second had been replaced under warranty. I sent the second one back and SS (bless them) gave me full dollar credit toward the purchase of a Mark V. Been happy with Shopsmith ever since:) .

Most users don't have, or wish to apply, Dusty's expertise for electronic repair or just want something they paid for to work!!! I'm sure that customer's dissatisfaction is the reason for discontinuing.

I assume the crafter's station has the same smaller motor as the power station. If that be correct, it would be underpowered for a 10 in saw.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:01 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Dusty, in yer wiring drawings, is CW/CCW as when viewed from the internal motor's point of view?( which would be opposite of the users external point of view looking at the shaft end).

I always have problems with this. CW or CCW. CW equals Saw Mode. CCW equals SPT Mode. Is that from the motor's point of view or the user's?

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:07 pm

JPG40504 wrote:I assume the crafter's station has the same smaller motor as the power station. If that be correct, it would be underpowered for a 10 in saw.

Yes, it is the same motor as that in the Power Station (1/2 HP I believe). However, I do not find it to be under powered but then I don't find the Mark V to be under powered. Yes, it obviously has less power but whether it it adequate or not depends on what you need for it to do.

It is a "Crafters Station" and not a construction saw.

I would not chose it to take onto a construction site to cut a lot of timber just like I would not chose to sprain paint my house with my electric spray gun.

THIS TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY FALSE> I ended up using mine as a table saw on a work site - cutting 2xs for house and garage framing. House and garage are built and the Crafters Station still runs fine.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:06 pm

dusty wrote:I always have problems with this. CW or CCW. CW equals Saw Mode. CCW equals SPT Mode. Is that from the motor's point of view or the user's?

So CW/accessories from the motor's point of view on your diagrams, and CW/saw mode from the user's point of view here.

They be flipped, hence the question.

I do not know what is de rigor pertaining to motors. Sortsa like what is a left/right handed door.