Crafter's Station - Request Wiring Advice

[dstensland]

Hi all,

This is my first post, so let me give a little background. Earlier this summer I purchased a used '92 Mark V 510 that needed TLC. It was fun to fix up and has been worth every penny because it enticed my teenage son to delve into woodworking in a very big way. He has made several beautiful projects this summer but he especially enjoys pen turning on the lathe. With that in mind, we attended our first woodturner meeting in Syracuse yesterday and he even shared a couple of his projects with the group. He's already talking about the next meeting so he's definitely into it.

Anyhow, in an effort to expand our shop capabilities, I recently got a great deal on a Crafter's Station that came with several useful accessories (jointer, bandsaw, scroll saw, accessory stand, etc.). All those things work well, but the wiring of the Crafter's Station had been altered so it only works in tablesaw mode. Turning on the accessory switch spins the motor the same direction... so something's not right. I really want to use the stand for the bandsaw and/or scrollsaw, too, so I'd like to get this fixed.

I know there is controversy about the design/durability of the motor circuit in the Crafter's Station. Another forum member, dusty, has posted many helpful details about his Crafter's Station fix-up. As part of that thread, Nick Engler supplied a wiring diagram which is also helpful. Unfortunately, I can't read the motor terminal numbers as depicted in the lower portion of this diagram...



The motor installed is the C55FLE3119. It's spec'd for 3/4hp and 3450 RPM. I don't know if that makes it a Shopsmith 515623 (stinker?) or a 516038 (newer replacement?).

I'd post a picture of the motor connections, but it's probably better to described those for now. Mine has the black wire tied to terminal #1, orange to #5, white to #4, red is crimped to a red wire that descends into the motor, blue is crimped to a black wire that descends into the motor. Finally, green is tied to the chassis. The red and blue wires have been modified. There are no brass terminal connections at positions #2 and #3... if there ever were they have been removed and only holes remain.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-Dave

[dusty]

Hi all,

This is my first post, so let me give a little background. Earlier this summer I purchased a used '92 Mark V 510 that needed TLC. It was fun to fix up and has been worth every penny because it enticed my teenage son to delve into woodworking in a very big way. He has made many beautiful projects this summer but he especially enjoys pen turning on the lathe. With that in mind, we attended our first woodturner meeting in Syracuse yesterday and he even shared a couple of his projects with the group. He's already talking about the next meeting so he's definitely into it.

Anyhow, in an effort to expand our shop capabilities, I recently got a great deal on a Crafter's Station that came with several useful accessories (jointer, bandsaw, scroll saw, accessory stand, etc.). All those things work well, but the wiring of the Crafter's Station had been altered so it only works in tablesaw mode. Turning on the accessory switch spins the motor the same direction... so something's not right. I really want to use the stand for the bandsaw and/or scrollsaw, too, so I'd like to get this fixed.

I know there is controversy about the design/durability of the motor circuit in the Crafter's Station. Another forum member, dusty, has posted many helpful details about his Crafter's Station fix-up. As part of that thread, Nick Engler supplied a wiring diagram which is also helpful. Unfortunately, I can't read the motor terminal numbers as depicted in the lower portion of this diagram...

http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/attachment.htm?attachmentid=1903&d=1218485351

The motor installed is the C55FLE3119. It's spec'd for 3/4hp and 3450 RPM. I don't know if that makes it a Shopsmith 515623 (stinker?) or a 516038 (newer replacement?).

I'd post a picture of the motor connections, but it's probably better to described those for now. Mine has the black wire tied to terminal #1, orange to #5, white to #4, red is crimped to a red wire that descends into the motor, blue is crimped to a black wire that descends into the motor. Finally, green is tied to the chassis. The red and blue wires have been modified. There are no brass terminal connections at positions #2 and #3... if there ever were they have been removed and only holes remain.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-Dave

I too fought that diagram. I have the solution but I'll have to locate it. Hopefully sometime later today.

I'll confirm which motor I have then.

I hope you have as much success with yours as I have. I think it is a shame that they did not produce this in numbers.

[dusty]

This may be all I have that might be useful but I'll keep looking.

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[dusty]

These might help.

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Power Station Motor with all wires connected.

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Power Station motor highlighting Start Winding Connectors

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Spec Sheet for "Mode Control Relay"

CAUTION: It has been pointed out that this is NOT the wiring for the CRAFTER'S Station. It is the same type motor but does not have the same cable.

In this diagram, however, you can clearly see the Black and Red wires descend down into the motor. Reversing those two connects will reverse the direction of that motor. Those two wires that disappear into the motor are the connections to the start winding.

[dstensland]

Hi Dusty,

Thanks for the help!

Our wiring is different. We have the six wire cable harness while your photo shows just three wires coming down from the upper controls. That's confusing because your other diagrams, such as the relay diagram, indicate that we should see orange, blue, and red wires down at the motor as well.

Here's the mess I came home with...


-Dave

[dusty]

Hi Dusty,

Thanks for the help!

Our wiring is different. We have the six wire cable harness while your photo shows just three wires coming down from the upper controls. That's confusing because your other diagrams, such as the relay diagram, indicate that we should see orange, blue, and red wires down at the motor as well.

Here's the mess I came home with...


-Dave

I'll double check the photos. The cable that I use is a Shopsmith part (specifically for the Crafter's Station). The wiring diagrams are my interpretation of how it is wired.

Mine works!! That is to say that when both switches are off, nothing runs. One switch on the motor turns one direction](first switch off)[/SIZE] the motor turns the other direction.

The cable has six conductors: blue, black, white, green, red and orange. The orange wire is tucked in nder the motor end cap and can barely be seen in the photo but it is there. No, it is not - wrong motor shown here.

[JPG]

Hi Dusty,

Thanks for the help!

Our wiring is different. We have the six wire cable harness while your photo shows just three wires coming down from the upper controls. That's confusing because your other diagrams, such as the relay diagram, indicate that we should see orange, blue, and red wires down at the motor as well.

Here's the mess I came home with...


-Dave

Do you have the 'reverse' relay, and where is it located
(off the motor?).

If you have an ohmeter capable of distinguishing between near zero and 5 ohms, the correct wiring can be determined.

[dusty]

Two views of the "reverse relay" (aka mode select relay).

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More to follow but I am having internet problems again. Later.

[dstensland]

Dusty and JPG,

Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it!

This evening I dug deeper and confirmed that the wires are indeed hooked up the same as Dusty's... at least around the relay and switches. That's when I noticed that the reversing relay was buzzing and arcing was present with the accessory switch in the on position. I wasn't able to hear that sound before because it was hidden behind the noise of the belt and pulley commotion.

So, I removed the relay and simply applied 110VAC directly across the coil, leaving the other contacts open. Instead of clicking on as expected it just buzzed like before. The coil is not pulling in as it should. I suspect it's just bad. The coil is reading 1.6K ohms.

In the interests of contributing back to the group, I actually used a digital microscope to magnify the tiny diagram found on page A-13 of the Crafter's Station manual. I then compared that to the actual connections on my motor. The proper motor-terminal-to-harness-connection-colors listed in the manual are...

#1 - black
#2 - red
#3 - blue
#4 - white
#5 - orange
motor chassis - green

However, the motor terminal area on mine doesn't have #2 or #3 terminals. Instead, red and black wires are surfaced from behind the motor terminal area and are connected to the harness as follows...

red motor - red harness (Assumed to be equivalent to #2... not sure)
black motor - blue harness (Assumed to be equivalent to #3... not sure)

Guess I'll order a replacement relay (NTE R55-11A20-120F) and report back after it is installed.

Thanks again,
-Dave

[JPG]

My guess as to some confusing pix/posts.

1) Dusty's pix is of a power station motor

2) Dave's pix is of a power station motor installed in his crafter's station.

3) The power station motor has the red and black wires, but they are connected to only run one direction(see Dusty's pix).

4) I think your assumptions re terminals #2 and #3 are correct.

5) I think you have the determined failing part, but have not yet determined the cause.

IIWM, I would be taking the relay apart to determine why is is not picking. It may have something interfering with the armature sealing. It may have crudded up pivots. It may have a damaged coil(burned etc.).