Nova PenPlus jaws

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Nova PenPlus jaws

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I have tried nearly every method suggested on the internet to drill pen blanks.

Did the drill press with vise grips holding the blank. wooden clamps notched, bought the DP vise from SS (though I never did buy a dedicated pen vise). Each some better than the previous, but wandering bits, diagonal holes, and lots and lots of end blow outs!:mad: :mad: :eek: :eek:

Then moved to horizontal drilling (one reason is that the head stock was getting cumbersome to raise to the DP position[read - weak old fart!] (pre Mark 7 and lift assist) with a couple different jigs on the table saw bed and fence, and finally bought the Nova G3 with pins when SS had a sale so I could use the lathe setup to hold the blanks to drill (Drill bit in the tail stock while the chucks rotated with the blank). For plastic blanks this seemed to be the best method to keep from melting the plastic. And yes, until I realized I need to advance the quill MUCH slower I melted A LOT of bigger holes in blanks (7mm easily became wavy 8!!)

The pins are okay, but if the blank is anything but perfectly square and straight it was not pretty, I would spend more time fitting the blank than I wanted!! :mad: It became easier to preround the blank (especially hard woods and plastics) before drilling the hole for the brass inserts. That's when I started using a large live end in the tail stock and a taper pointed piece (same 60 degree) mounted into the lathe chuck. Would pre-drill two SMALL pilot holes. one in the center of each end as reference and then learn to "snug up" the quill to the best tension so I could get it to spin and then remove materiel)

Twice the work, getting the blank rounded so I could drill it so I could glue in the inserts and shape it, At least the set up was consistent!! :rolleyes:

SO..... when Nova advertised their Pen Plus jaws, I waited to see what the different forums would say. Reviews were a bit too mixed, but having just ruined a couple nice plastic and one expensive wooden blank, I bit the bullet and ordered the Pen Plus through Amazon (with their great return policy I figured why not),

They are significantly (IMHO) better then the pin jaws,

They are much longer and even though they only have two jaws total, they hold very securely.

Comparing the length Pen Plus (left) and pin jaw (right)
[ATTACH]23086[/ATTACH]

A 5" plastic pen blank in the pin jaws (all four jaws holding the piece)
[ATTACH]23088[/ATTACH]

And the same blank in the Pen Plus. The half circles traveling the length of the jaw seem to allow for a better grip and each jaw uses two screws to hold it in place - one accessed via the long tube/ circle).
[ATTACH]23087[/ATTACH]

Whether you think it is worth the extra $38, is of course based upon your wallet, tolerance level for adjusting blanks, and how good you are at using other methods. Personally I sucked at the other methods, my tolerance levels for mistakes seems to reduce based upon perceived pleasure, so the wallet took the hit!)

Me, I like it! :D :D

Apologies for the horrid pictures! Went to grab my point and shoot but the battery was dead so had to use the camera in the phone (yep, took the phone out to the shop with me... but only long enough to get the pictures - after all sanctuary IS sanctuary!! :cool: )

Be well,

Ben
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Post by fredsheldon »

Nice setup. I just might try it myself. Here was my solution which reduced my misdirected drilling in my pen blanks the most.

https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=11930
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(By writing this I do not want to hijack this thread)
As far as batteries are concerned ....
Do not buy the ordinary rechargeable batteries
Buy the already charged, rechargeable. It cost a little bit more, but they keep the charge for a least a year when not in use. Duracell have some now ...
I keep a second set in my camera bag and I am never out of camera because the batteries are out of charge.
When transferring your pictures to the computer, use a card reader, they are cheap and they don't require batteries.
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camerio wrote:(By writing this I do not want to hijack this thread)
As far as batteries are concerned ....
Do not buy the ordinary rechargeable batteries
Buy the already charged, rechargeable. It cost a little bit more, but they keep the charge for a least a year when not in use. Duracell have some now ...
I keep a second set in my camera bag and I am never out of camera because the batteries are out of charge.
When transferring your pictures to the computer, use a card reader, they are cheap and they don't require batteries.
How could you hijack it if "I" asked you for more information??:D

I'd never heard of the "already charged" batteries for my P&S camera, a DMC-FH27. I went to the Duracell site. They show a 245 (which I have and use for my 7000i) or 223 (which I presume would be WAY to large :eek: to fit in the FH27),

The FH27 battery is approx 41x31x6 mm
Thanks for the insight!
I do just pop out the mem card and my PC (and monitor) have readers.

Oh, and to take this sort of back to wood working, I use the already charged Duracell "J" battery in my RAS display! :p

So, no, you did not hijack this and yes, you probably gave information that we can use and save us a trip to headache land!

But until then I need to find where the darned charger walked off to!! :rolleyes:

Be well,

Ben
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I thought your camera used AA or AAA batteries. Otherwise I do not know of already charged rechargeable for you particular camera.
You could try to find out Lithium batteries type if the do exist for you camera.
Do some research on the site of you brand of camera.
Through Amazon page for your camera model, at the bottom of the page, there is ads for a cie selling Lithium ion battery replacement with a better perfomance than the original from panasonic. That's what they say anyway.

http://www.duracelldirect.com/panasonic_Lumix-DMC-FH27_batteries_digital-camera_B-9793.aspx?KEYWORD=Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-FH27%20Camera%20Battery&utm_source=Amazonshopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Camera%20Battery
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Hi,

Thanks for calling my attention to these. I don't have the problem drilling the wood pens I do but I was planning to do a couple of plastic (coffee bean) pens and have noticed plenty of people having issues with their drilling. I hate to think about wrecking a couple of blanks in the process so I might have to pick up the jaws before I start.

I do horizontal drilling using the pin jaws on the nova chuck so this would be pretty much the same thing except for the new jaws.

Please keep us in mind as you start gaining more experience with the system, and keep us updated as to how you feel about these jaws, it would be helpful to us.

Ed

benush26 wrote:I have tried nearly every method suggested on the internet to drill pen blanks.

Did the drill press with vise grips holding the blank. wooden clamps notched, bought the DP vise from SS (though I never did buy a dedicated pen vise). Each some better than the previous, but wandering bits, diagonal holes, and lots and lots of end blow outs!:mad: :mad: :eek: :eek:

Then moved to horizontal drilling (one reason is that the head stock was getting cumbersome to raise to the DP position[read - weak old fart!] (pre Mark 7 and lift assist) with a couple different jigs on the table saw bed and fence, and finally bought the Nova G3 with pins when SS had a sale so I could use the lathe setup to hold the blanks to drill (Drill bit in the tail stock while the chucks rotated with the blank). For plastic blanks this seemed to be the best method to keep from melting the plastic. And yes, until I realized I need to advance the quill MUCH slower I melted A LOT of bigger holes in blanks (7mm easily became wavy 8!!)

The pins are okay, but if the blank is anything but perfectly square and straight it was not pretty, I would spend more time fitting the blank than I wanted!! :mad: It became easier to preround the blank (especially hard woods and plastics) before drilling the hole for the brass inserts. That's when I started using a large live end in the tail stock and a taper pointed piece (same 60 degree) mounted into the lathe chuck. Would pre-drill two SMALL pilot holes. one in the center of each end as reference and then learn to "snug up" the quill to the best tension so I could get it to spin and then remove materiel)

Twice the work, getting the blank rounded so I could drill it so I could glue in the inserts and shape it, At least the set up was consistent!! :rolleyes:

SO..... when Nova advertised their Pen Plus jaws, I waited to see what the different forums would say. Reviews were a bit too mixed, but having just ruined a couple nice plastic and one expensive wooden blank, I bit the bullet and ordered the Pen Plus through Amazon (with their great return policy I figured why not),

They are significantly (IMHO) better then the pin jaws,

They are much longer and even though they only have two jaws total, they hold very securely.

Comparing the length Pen Plus (left) and pin jaw (right)
[ATTACH]23086[/ATTACH]

A 5" plastic pen blank in the pin jaws (all four jaws holding the piece)
[ATTACH]23088[/ATTACH]

And the same blank in the Pen Plus. The half circles traveling the length of the jaw seem to allow for a better grip and each jaw uses two screws to hold it in place - one accessed via the long tube/ circle).
[ATTACH]23087[/ATTACH]

Whether you think it is worth the extra $38, is of course based upon your wallet, tolerance level for adjusting blanks, and how good you are at using other methods. Personally I sucked at the other methods, my tolerance levels for mistakes seems to reduce based upon perceived pleasure, so the wallet took the hit!)

Me, I like it! :D :D

Apologies for the horrid pictures! Went to grab my point and shoot but the battery was dead so had to use the camera in the phone (yep, took the phone out to the shop with me... but only long enough to get the pictures - after all sanctuary IS sanctuary!! :cool: )

Be well,

Ben
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Post by reible »

For those interested there are a lot of posts related to this over at

http://www.penturners.org/forum/f30/nov ... ws-111668/

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Post by bobgroh »

Drilling pen blanks is also on my hot list! Good lead - I'm off to check it out. I do have (in my note book) a very similar homemade idea that I got someplace - built up from some aluminum angle and used magnets to hold the resulting jig in the jaws of any chuck. Being a cheap .... (guy), the $20+ for a hunk of aluminum angle stock stopped me. Maybe this will work out better. Cost more but less work.
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Post by reible »

While my 2013 is long since spent I went ahead and started my 2014 budget a little early (normally 12/1) for the second time (HF tool cart was first time).

I was looking to get this set of jaws and found that Amazon had them and that they meet the new $35 free shipping policy.

When I last looked they had 3 left, today only 1, now 0.

I have a couple more pens to make and I think I will wait for the chuck before I do them. If it gets too late well then there is always spring.

Ed
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Post by kenbu »

Reible, I can't seem to find these on Amazon, just the PSI pen jaws and the Nova pin jaws. Can you post a link?

Thanks,
Ken
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