Paul is rebuilding his shop

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:29 pm

Ed in Tampa wrote:Removed comment due to the complaint I was heartless. I meant it as jest and I hope that was how it was taken by most. MY most sincere apology to any that I offended.

IMHO that was both unnecessary, and not 'heartless'. I tend to be a more practical bottom line type. You merely stated with a hint of 'increble' the facts. Not jest IMHO, but an expression of empathy.

I think we all feel that!;)

I am sure Paul is reminded of those facts every day he works on the 'new barn'. He obviously is not letting them get in his way!

Geez some people are 'touchy'.

wa2crk · Post by **wa2crk** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:38 pm

Hey Paul;
Do you have an Amish crew helping you to build your shop? I am really impressed with the open truss and the apparent dado and or mortise and tenon construction of the trusses. Looks to be very expertly done!!
Bill V

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:21 am

[quote="wa2crk"]Hey Paul]

I am curious re the design of the two center trusses. I am not sure how the forces are distributed by/to the descending side part. Also the upper joinery near the ridge.

paulsgreenbarn · Post by **paulsgreenbarn** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:20 am

[quote="wa2crk"]Hey Paul]

No amish crew.Just me and an occasional helper.It's far from perfect but should stand forever.It's all Green hemlockexcept for an few white pine pieces.8x8 posts ,6x6 tie beams along the wall,4x6 most everywhere else.5/4 wall and roof planks.
The Hammer trusses are 4x6s.I just looked at a few pictures in books and online and put them together.I cheated and used 6" and 10" spikes on those.I did inlay hammer vertical and horizontal and the center vertical to the double cross ties though.I have to install one race yet into the one truss.The other trusses have the queen posts to help support the spanned floor tie beam.[i 'm not up on all the terminology so the pieces may have other correct names]With the 9:12 pitch I believe they are over built .to the best of my knowledge the double ties will prevent them from spreading and the Hammers will preven any sagging.Together I'mnot too worried .
thanks for the compliments and "No Worries" about the jokes.I've heard them all over the last few months.Life goes on .My skin is fairly thick ,hah.

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:00 pm

paulsgreenbarn wrote:No amish crew.Just me and an occasional helper.It's far from perfect but should stand forever.It's all Green hemlockexcept for an few white pine pieces.8x8 posts ,6x6 tie beams along the wall,4x6 most everywhere else.5/4 wall and roof planks.
The Hammer trusses are 4x6s.I just looked at a few pictures in books and online and put them together.I cheated and used 6" and 10" spikes on those.I did inlay hammer vertical and horizontal and the center vertical to the double cross ties though.I have to install one race yet into the one truss.The other trusses have the queen posts to help support the spanned floor tie beam.[i 'm not up on all the terminology so the pieces may have other correct names]With the 9:12 pitch I believe they are over built .to the best of my knowledge the double ties will prevent them from spreading and the Hammers will preven any sagging.Together I'mnot too worried .
thanks for the compliments and "No Worries" about the jokes.I've heard them all over the last few months.Life goes on .My skin is fairly thick ,hah.

Paul thank you I meant it in fun and as JPG said with empathy but some took exception and I felt I needed to remove my comment before I offended any one else. Again I was not trying to be heartless. Having lost everything when our house burned to the ground I found humor in it and I hope you did too.

paulsgreenbarn · Post by **paulsgreenbarn** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:25 pm

No problem.If you've been there you know how it is to see evrything go up in flames and be gone in less than an hour.Traumatic to say the least.I worry most about my family and feel the guilt of putting them through it once ,,say nothing of twice.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:03 pm

paulsgreenbarn wrote:No amish crew.Just me and an occasional helper.It's far from perfect but should stand forever.It's all Green hemlockexcept for an few white pine pieces.8x8 posts ,6x6 tie beams along the wall,4x6 most everywhere else.5/4 wall and roof planks.
The Hammer trusses are 4x6s.I just looked at a few pictures in books and online and put them together.I cheated and used 6" and 10" spikes on those.I did inlay hammer vertical and horizontal and the center vertical to the double cross ties though.I have to install one race yet into the one truss.The other trusses have the queen posts to help support the spanned floor tie beam.[i 'm not up on all the terminology so the pieces may have other correct names]With the 9:12 pitch I believe they are over built .to the best of my knowledge the double ties will prevent them from spreading and the Hammers will preven any sagging.Together I'mnot too worried .
thanks for the compliments and "No Worries" about the jokes.I've heard them all over the last few months.Life goes on .My skin is fairly thick ,hah.

Me neither on the terminology, but I do not 'see' a solution for the 'spreading' forces. Apparently the design principals are not all that well understood anyway. Methinks 'robust' timbers makes up for much!

paulsgreenbarn · Post by **paulsgreenbarn** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:59 pm

The trusses can't spread with the double crossties and the horizontal members making up part of the Hammer sections.The verticals and angle braces work with the horizontals to prevent both spreading and downward sagging.I'm pretty sure I got it all covered with the design.i may be wrong.I could even install angle braces underneath to the two posts but I don't think they're needed.