Hi Candy and Jim,
Glad you made it over here.
The rest haven't seen the machine picture you posted on LJs. You have a 500....I think. The 510 was an upgrade of table size and accessory table size.
Maybe someone here has some lathe accessories for sale. I'd start a thread and list the things you need. Hopefully, someone or several someones have a part or parts they'll sell.
Any OK SS owners?
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If I understand the link Dusty provided, our green SS is indeed a 500.
Thanks for the link, Dusty. Gene, Good idea. Will start a post after we have a better idea of what all we need. In the mean time...
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First, welcome to this forum.
Please overlook the second post to this thread. No harm intended.
Now, it be not easy to tell from the pix, but it appears to be an "A" headstock casting which is consistent with it being a 'Greenie' and most likely is a Gilmer drive belt version. I say 'likely' since it is possible to update. The belt cover looks like it may be a later version(only two retaining screws?) and maybe from a Goldie.
Glad to see the tables etc. in the second pix.
The motor pan appears to be a Goldie also but the pix may be showing rust rather than gold paint.
After cleaning it up, lubrication is advised. These beasts run forever when properly oiled(often) and maintained.
I figger more questions will come shortly so do not hesitate to express them.
Be careful, this machine can bite if one is careless with it. It does not have all the latest protect thee from thyself 'features'.
Bon Appétit!:)
P.S. It is a Mark 5 which predates the Mark V/500/505/510/520. There are other variations.
Please overlook the second post to this thread. No harm intended.
Now, it be not easy to tell from the pix, but it appears to be an "A" headstock casting which is consistent with it being a 'Greenie' and most likely is a Gilmer drive belt version. I say 'likely' since it is possible to update. The belt cover looks like it may be a later version(only two retaining screws?) and maybe from a Goldie.
Glad to see the tables etc. in the second pix.
The motor pan appears to be a Goldie also but the pix may be showing rust rather than gold paint.
After cleaning it up, lubrication is advised. These beasts run forever when properly oiled(often) and maintained.
I figger more questions will come shortly so do not hesitate to express them.
Be careful, this machine can bite if one is careless with it. It does not have all the latest protect thee from thyself 'features'.
Bon Appétit!:)
P.S. It is a Mark 5 which predates the Mark V/500/505/510/520. There are other variations.
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Correct on the color thing, whole different vocabulary here, and JPG has his own, but once you figure it out is everything you need to know. I dont know what they call the gray ones. I have been on some forums, and they had a sticky for theirs.
I did not welcome you here yet so Hi. You are in good hands here and allot of SS people near you in OK. Dont be intimidated by a SS, they are a very simplistic machine internally. Designed by a German engineer, with out the german over design practices, like in BMWs.
I did not welcome you here yet so Hi. You are in good hands here and allot of SS people near you in OK. Dont be intimidated by a SS, they are a very simplistic machine internally. Designed by a German engineer, with out the german over design practices, like in BMWs.
Measure once, cut as many times as needed to get it right! Bob
56/57 Greenie with jointer, 85 Mark V with band saw, 63 Goldie with jointer, 3 ER 10s, 1951 vintage, Hernia from the Er 10s, Tool Shop SS clone 6" jointer, and 6" belt sander, Delta 10" TS, Buffalo 6" jointer, Craftsman 12" BS, 10" Ryobi planer. Compound Miter, and misc.
56/57 Greenie with jointer, 85 Mark V with band saw, 63 Goldie with jointer, 3 ER 10s, 1951 vintage, Hernia from the Er 10s, Tool Shop SS clone 6" jointer, and 6" belt sander, Delta 10" TS, Buffalo 6" jointer, Craftsman 12" BS, 10" Ryobi planer. Compound Miter, and misc.
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Descriptive terms
There are 3 different headstock casting versions.
"A"is the original sand cast headstock. It is rougher and thicker(heavier) and does not have an access hole on the reverse side.
"B" is the most common version. It is diecast and added the access hole on the back side(in the area of the two small holes on yours).
"C" is the current version and the access hole was enlarged and the power switch changed and moved.
There are three different power train versions.
The early Mark 5 had a Gilmer(cogged belt) drive and a 6 spline quill shaft and a 3/4 hp motor.
The later Mark 5 increased the motor to 1 1/8 hp and changed the drive to a poly-v belt and the quill shaft splines were increased.
The Mark V is essentially the same as a Mark 5, but has four different table configurations. 500,505,510,520.
The current Power Pro radically changed the drive train and includes a stronger DVR motor and simplified drive belts.
Color wise, there are the Mark 5 Greenies(like yours (sorta)). Color scheme silver and green hammertone.
Then came the early Goldies which were essentially the same as the Greenies. The Goldies are sometimes referred to as Brownies. Color scheme copper and light brown hammertone.
Next came the Goldie(Anniversary model(#1)) which included the 1 1/8 motor and poly-v drive.
Then came the gray wrinkle paint.
Then they went out of production.
When production resumed, they were again Mark 5s and gray. At some point in time the gray paint was changed to a different texture
(I call it splattered) and is current.
More re the Mark V sub models.
The 500 is the same as a Mark 5.
The 510 added the larger main table, floating tables with round rails, adjustable legs for additional support/set up ability.
The 505 was a stripped down 510 that included only the larger tables with round rails.
The 520 changed the round rails to the current boxey type(a notable improvement).
The rip fence design changed each time the tables changed.
The anniversary model(#2) has a different access hole cover.
The Mark 7 added tilt both direction as well as the Power Pro headstock.
Since even the earliest Greenies can be upgraded all the way up to a Mark 7 it is not always easy to discern what one has.
There have been less major design changes, but these are the major ones.
It is important to know just what one has if parts are needed(especially if procuring used parts on e-bay etc.). Some out of production parts are only obtained used.
I hope this does not overwhelm y'all and serves as an expanded 'glossary'.
Keep in mind there have been several corporate entities that have produced these models over the past 3 score +7 years. That so much is the same/compatible/upgradable is quite unique and one reason for the fierce loyalty of it's older owners. And another reason many of us have more than one.
FWIW there have been other models - Mark 1(only two known of), Mark 2 and Mark VII - as well as a few 'clones'.
"A"is the original sand cast headstock. It is rougher and thicker(heavier) and does not have an access hole on the reverse side.
"B" is the most common version. It is diecast and added the access hole on the back side(in the area of the two small holes on yours).
"C" is the current version and the access hole was enlarged and the power switch changed and moved.
There are three different power train versions.
The early Mark 5 had a Gilmer(cogged belt) drive and a 6 spline quill shaft and a 3/4 hp motor.
The later Mark 5 increased the motor to 1 1/8 hp and changed the drive to a poly-v belt and the quill shaft splines were increased.
The Mark V is essentially the same as a Mark 5, but has four different table configurations. 500,505,510,520.
The current Power Pro radically changed the drive train and includes a stronger DVR motor and simplified drive belts.
Color wise, there are the Mark 5 Greenies(like yours (sorta)). Color scheme silver and green hammertone.
Then came the early Goldies which were essentially the same as the Greenies. The Goldies are sometimes referred to as Brownies. Color scheme copper and light brown hammertone.
Next came the Goldie(Anniversary model(#1)) which included the 1 1/8 motor and poly-v drive.
Then came the gray wrinkle paint.
Then they went out of production.
When production resumed, they were again Mark 5s and gray. At some point in time the gray paint was changed to a different texture
(I call it splattered) and is current.
More re the Mark V sub models.
The 500 is the same as a Mark 5.
The 510 added the larger main table, floating tables with round rails, adjustable legs for additional support/set up ability.
The 505 was a stripped down 510 that included only the larger tables with round rails.
The 520 changed the round rails to the current boxey type(a notable improvement).
The rip fence design changed each time the tables changed.
The anniversary model(#2) has a different access hole cover.
The Mark 7 added tilt both direction as well as the Power Pro headstock.
Since even the earliest Greenies can be upgraded all the way up to a Mark 7 it is not always easy to discern what one has.
There have been less major design changes, but these are the major ones.
It is important to know just what one has if parts are needed(especially if procuring used parts on e-bay etc.). Some out of production parts are only obtained used.
I hope this does not overwhelm y'all and serves as an expanded 'glossary'.
Keep in mind there have been several corporate entities that have produced these models over the past 3 score +7 years. That so much is the same/compatible/upgradable is quite unique and one reason for the fierce loyalty of it's older owners. And another reason many of us have more than one.
FWIW there have been other models - Mark 1(only two known of), Mark 2 and Mark VII - as well as a few 'clones'.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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rjent
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Candy and Jim!
I have been on the road for the last two days. I read the start of this thread in California and I just got home to New Mexico.
I have found this place to be a gold mine of information!
Your SS looks fabulous! You are going to get hooked like the rest of us!
Dick
I have been on the road for the last two days. I read the start of this thread in California and I just got home to New Mexico.
I have found this place to be a gold mine of information!
Your SS looks fabulous! You are going to get hooked like the rest of us!
Dick
Dick
1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Benjamin Franklin
1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Benjamin Franklin
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rjent wrote:Candy and Jim!
I have been on the road for the last two days. I read the start of this thread in California and I just got home to New Mexico.
I have found this place to be a gold mine of information!
Your SS looks fabulous! You are going to get hooked like the rest of us!
Dick
Welcome Jim & Candy!
That hooked rjent speaks of will begin almost as soon as you get into restoration of the machine. You’ll fall in love with how wonderfully it operates using brilliant simplicity of design.
After you get it all pretty, or maybe just up and running, one or both of you may find that you have to hold the other back from racing to buy every raggedy scrap of Shopsmith you lay eyes on.
Enjoy!