Frustrating day!
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ChrisNeilan
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Much better day today!
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Shopsmith Mark 7, Shopsmith Mark V 1982, shortened, Shopsmith 10 ER; Craftsman table saw (1964); Powermatic 3520B lathe
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BuckeyeDennis
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Nice!!!
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Wow! That is gorgeous! 
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1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
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500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
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1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Benjamin Franklin
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edflorence
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Wow! Great looking board and judging from that one it looks like you are going to get a bunch of nice boards from those big logs. Will be interested in seeing pictures of how you stack and sticker for drying.
Ed
Idaho Panhandle
Mark 5 of various vintages, Mini with reversing motor, bs, dc3300, jointer, increaser, decreaser
Idaho Panhandle
Mark 5 of various vintages, Mini with reversing motor, bs, dc3300, jointer, increaser, decreaser
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Question for you guys that have cut and dried your own wood. I was given several pretty good size slabs of walnut 2 years ago which I stacked, stickered and sealed the ends. It is in my garage in a make shift tunnel with a fan blowing over/through the wood 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. I was out of town and stopped into a hardwood dealer/shop last weekend and was talking to the owner. He indicated that air dried wood will never get to the 7-8% that I think I am looking for. He said kiln dried is a much better option. I thought it was only better because of the shorter time but the end results are the same. Am I just wasting my time trying to dry this stuff?
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BuckeyeDennis
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Final moisture content for air drying depends on the average relative humidity of the environment. Here in Ohio, you can expect to get to about 11% MC by air-drying outdoors, IIRC. I store wood indoors in my basement shop for a few months before using it, which allows it to acclimate to the lower indoor humidity.
Kiln-drying walnut affects its color. Air-dried walnut is more colorful, typically with some purple overtones. (You can see the purple in this post of some bowl blanks that I cut a couple weeks ago). Kiln-drying walnut mutes the colors, turning it into the more uniform brown you see in commercial walnut furniture. As a matter of fact, commercial walnut is often steamed, as this darkens the sapwood so much that it can be used as well.
Kiln-drying walnut affects its color. Air-dried walnut is more colorful, typically with some purple overtones. (You can see the purple in this post of some bowl blanks that I cut a couple weeks ago). Kiln-drying walnut mutes the colors, turning it into the more uniform brown you see in commercial walnut furniture. As a matter of fact, commercial walnut is often steamed, as this darkens the sapwood so much that it can be used as well.
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robinson46176
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If I was selling kiln dried lumber that is exactly what I would say...stew wrote:Question for you guys that have cut and dried your own wood. I was given several pretty good size slabs of walnut 2 years ago which I stacked, stickered and sealed the ends. It is in my garage in a make shift tunnel with a fan blowing over/through the wood 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. I was out of town and stopped into a hardwood dealer/shop last weekend and was talking to the owner. He indicated that air dried wood will never get to the 7-8% that I think I am looking for. He said kiln dried is a much better option. I thought it was only better because of the shorter time but the end results are the same. Am I just wasting my time trying to dry this stuff?
Study the history of some of the finest furniture built in Colonial America. Many of their "factories" were a large room of their house and all lumber was kept in a lean-to on the back. Their drying kiln was... No, wait... They didn't have drying kilns.
I've used both. I believe that the lumber should be a balance between the moisture level in your shop and the place where it will reside when complete. I also believe that it is possible to over dry it depending on where you live in the country. A lot depends on what kind of woodworking you want to do. Many kinds of woodworking are done green on purpose.
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Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
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It's amazing what nature does . those are real pretty .
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Stew, the longer it dries the better it gets, IMO after a while it stabilizes to its environment, it is best to dry it indoors away from pest , I agree with the post above . 6% -8% is doable here in Ohio, if you can get it into a attic it will cut the dryng time down , be prepared for a few twist or bends when you cut into the board depending on how it was cut .I have seen the saw blade try to follow the grain n quarter sawn lumber . sharp blades are a must and feather boards and riving knives are a good idea .all in all I think you will be happy using it , harbor freight sell's a cheap moisture meter under 10 bks , its not fancy but it will get ya by .
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Stew, the longer it dries the better it gets, IMO after a while it stabilizes to its environment, it is best to dry it indoors away from pest , I agree with the post above . 6% -8% is doable here in Ohio, if you can get it into a attic it will cut the dryng time down , be prepared for a few twist or bends when you cut into the board depending on how it was cut .I have seen the saw blade try to follow the grain n quarter sawn lumber . sharp blades are a must and feather boards and riving knives are a good idea .all in all I think you will be happy using it , harbor freight sell's a cheap moisture meter under 10 bks , its not fancy but it will get ya by .
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Thanks for the responses, I am feeling better about my wood. I plan on testing it in the next couple of weeks to see how dry it is. I am pretty sure no pests and it is in an attached garage that never really gets below 25-30 degrees here in the Chicago area. My next first will be to try and mill this stuff into useful stock without destroying it.