More than any other table saw on the market, I'd guess. It is more of an issue in operations that apply force to the table. There is a "Video Shop Tip" on the subject: (http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/Tips_Ar ... Tables.htm)
- David
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More than any other table saw on the market, I'd guess. It is more of an issue in operations that apply force to the table. There is a "Video Shop Tip" on the subject: (http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/Tips_Ar ... Tables.htm)
DLB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:07 am More than any other table saw on the market, I'd guess. It is more of an issue in operations that apply force to the table. There is a "Video Shop Tip" on the subject: (http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/Tips_Ar ... Tables.htm)
I think JPG has explained the main problem. And the shorter lever arm distance on the smaller 500 table is why it seemed so stable in comparison to larger tables. The legs are further apart on the 510 and 520 tables. I haven't done the measurements but while wider space legs reduce the leverage at the front or back of the table it also contributes to the wiggle Nick Engler talks about in the video.
Thanks Ed. Yeah, I wanted to make a point about this and you created a perfect segway for it. We all tend to be myopic in that we only see a woodworking shop that is similar to our own and in how we choose to do our specific type of woodworking. So, it is difficult to see the viewpoint of others here. What I mean, is there are many who can and do own several Shopsmith machines. Given their economy on the used market, this makes perfect sense. For me in my small shop, compact as well, I can only fit one Mark V and that's it. Especially since I bought my equipment new, I can't fathom how someone could dedicate a Mark V as, of all things, a standalone sanding station?!?!? Kinda like buying a Kenworth to pull your garden trailer around the yard... I mean yes, I get the utility and at the right price point why not, but it isn't in the front of my mind because I can't work that way in my small shop. It wouldn't fit. I contemplated briefly getting a 10ER but I wanted to mount it vertically on a wall as a standalone drill press so that I could fit it. Could never find a decent looking 10ER locally...in fact very few of any quality ever come up here. My point is what I like about my single, solitary Mark V and what frustrates me on it are going to be totally different than what it is for someone with a larger shop space who can perhaps afford (not just monetarily) to have multiple Mark V's (or other Shopsmith machines) in that shop. Doing infrequent changeovers on a machine meant for constant changeovers is a different experience than what it is for someone like me. Hope this makes sense and frames the problem/solution for everyone. IF many of you are using a 5-in-1 machine but as standalone separates all of the time, it isn't really a multi-tool anymore. Yet, Shopsmith is trying to sell a multi-tool to new or repeat customers. So, I really wonder who they are targeting as a customer today? Is it someone like me that is forced to do constant changeovers on a project, or are they targeting those with more shop space that intend multiple machine purchases (perhaps no changeovers) and can afford it at today's prices? I really don't know anymore who Shopsmith's target demographic is...perhaps they don't know either and that is the problem. Just conjecture.edma194 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:35 am The reason I have multiple Shopsmiths is to avoid the time it takes to change modes. That's why I suggest everyone get a cheap used Shopsmith, even a Model 10 to turn into a dedicated drill press. Of course there are plenty of good conventional drill presses available, single post belt changing drill presses that work well, but will certainly cost far more to include all the features you'd have with just a Model 500 dedicated to that mode.
David,DLB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:07 am More than any other table saw on the market, I'd guess. It is more of an issue in operations that apply force to the table. There is a "Video Shop Tip" on the subject: (http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/Tips_Ar ... Tables.htm)
- David
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Don't assume that "New" means "Better". A better assumption would be that there were issues with the prototype bandsaw that made it unsuitable for the market. Performance, costs, a substantial investment to produce it, etc.
Scott,thedovetailjoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:08 pm Don't assume that "New" means "Better". A better assumption would be that there were issues with the prototype bandsaw that made it unsuitable for the market. Performance, costs, a substantial investment to produce it, etc.