My Model 10-ER Journey

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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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Here is some additional stuff that was on the machine. The dead center is cupped behind its point, so I'm not sure what that is about. Maybe someone here can enlighten me. :confused: I've also got a live center that seems to work well, and what I'm calling a spindle drive point that is functional but has surface rust. :D

I've got two of these 12-inch sanding disks, but this one is really caked with something that looks like epoxy. :confused: I haven't tried to remove it yet, so it may not be that bad. The other sanding disk looks like it has a self-adhesive sandpaper piece on it. I'm hoping that one is more usable. :rolleyes:

I've also got a faceplate that I didn't take a separate photo of. It appears to be okay, and even has a piece of walnut attached to it.

There were two of these circlips lying on the machine. Unless someone can tell me where they might go on the machine, I suspect that they are from the old U-joints on my Ranger that I had to replace last winter.

Last but not least, this is Fowler. He likes to ride in the Ranger and accompany me when I'm working in the garage. :rolleyes: :D
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Mike Chambers
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1952 10ER, S/N 59677 (A work in process!)
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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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Just a few more notes for this preliminary session.

I've got two Jacob's chucks and one key for both. One chuck is on a male Morse Taper, and the other is set up for quill spindle mounting.

I've got what appear to be saw arbors that are made for the machine, but they both have 9-inch x 36-tooth blades on them. I did find one other arbor after I took all of these photos. It appears to be more homemade, but it does have an 8-inch x 40-tooth carbide-tipped blade on it. The Shopsmith Owner's Guide says that the maximum saw blade diameter that can be used is 8-inch, so I'm going to have to see what that is all about.

My saw table and the extension table both have an oxide patina on them but don't appear to be corroded or pitted. They should clean up nicely!

I've got an 8-piece set of lathe tools, but am just starting to find out what tool does what. Can someone point me to a resource that explains what each of the various standard tools do? These are all steel tools, but would they be carbon steel or high-speed steel? They do have some surface rust on them, but should also clean up nicely.

That's about it for now. I'm looking forward to working with cleaning up and using this machine, and learning as much as possible from all the members of this forum. Thank you all!
Mike Chambers
Franklin County, Missouri

1952 10ER, S/N 59677 (A work in process!)
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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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They ain't Stainless steel!

I recommend either evaporust or electrolysis rust removal. Both stop short of removing base metal(attacks ONLY the rust). Then minimal 'polishing'.
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JPG wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:41 pm They ain't Stainless steel!

I recommend either evaporust or electrolysis rust removal. Both stop short of removing base metal(attacks ONLY the rust). Then minimal 'polishing'.
Thanks, JPG! I'm going to have to invest in some Evapo-Rust for this and other projects, although I must admit that I'm intrigued by the potato method I saw a video on, I think linked from another thread on this forum. :D

I restored what was left of about a 230-year-old Brown Bess musket a couple of years ago, and I used a lye bath method to remove the rust on that. It removed the rust without removing the old patina. I had the original lock and barrel for that project. :cool:
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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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I got curious this evening and put an indicator on the working end of the spindle on my machine. With the belt still on and tensioned correctly, I got just over 0.001 inch of runout, and that could have been attributed to the clearance between the spindle end and the drive spur that was mounted on it.

I then loosened the belt and set up to gently push down on the drive spur then pry up on it from underneath. This revealed a total play of 0.015 inch, not as good as I had hoped. Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Thanks!
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Being from Missouri, I got curious about the two 9-inch table saw blades and mounted one on the machine, followed by the saw table which I had not mounted yet. Sure enough, the blade did not clear the opening in the table, so I took that all off the machine again. Neither of the 9-inch blades appear to be in very good condition, so I'm going to dismount them from their arbors and throw those blades away.

Before I took the table off the machine though, I thought I'd check out the table-raising mechanism to see if that worked okay. The table raising screw did not come anywhere close to touching the table frame where I thought it would hit. I'm attaching a photo of this. What am I missing here, possibly another part? Thanks!
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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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An arm mounts to the table support leg and the screw crank presses against a depression in the other end of the arm. Yep missing a piece. Or it is hiding elsewhere.

FWIW, 8" is the original blade size.
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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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MichaelCfffg wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:45 pm I cringe seeing all that neglect! I'm not in a big hurry, but now that I've started, I'd sure like to start using it. [Sigh!]
The good news is that even these relatively neglected ones can be a diamond in the rough. I managed to get a pretty good looking result on my last 10ER, from a very similar starting point…

viewtopic.php?t=5497&start=250

Keep those pictures coming - and good luck in the project!
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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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Wow, a lot of postings since mine yesterday. The Owner's Guide you have will be fine with very little changed between when your Model 10ER was made and it was published. The only thing of note would be on page 5 ATTACHING MOTOR SWITCH which describes removing the bottom screw of the Name Plate. This is something that can be done with Version 7 Headstocks ONLY since there is no hole behind the Name Plate for earlier Headstock versions. The PDF below is an addendum I made for the Owner's Guide to use paste wax instead of light oil on the metal parts.
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The 9" Saw Blades were used on early Mark 5 Shopsmith's. As you have discovered the 9" blade is too large in diameter. 8" Saw Blades can be found and with carbide tipped ones they cut very well.

The most common belt used for the Model 10's is a 4L-380 with the most common motor found on them which is an A. O. Smith 1/2 HP Motor. Different motors may have the shaft positioned differently in relationship to the Drive Sleeve Pulley. A 4L-390 Belt is also useful for adding additional speeds as indicated in the chart below.
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A larger motor like the A. O. Smith 3/4HP Motor works better with the 4L-390 Belt.

In looking at the pictures there may be some alignment issues such as the Tie Bar between the ends of the Way Tubes JPG mentioned.

The Cupped Lathe Dead Center is the one that would have come with your Model 10ER originally from the factory and is the same one supplied today with a new Mark 7. New ones have the black oxide coating which began in 1964.

The Drill Chuck mounted on a Moorse Taper is for use in the Tailstock. There is a Moorse Taper Adapter to attach the Shopsmith supplied Drill Chuck to the Tailstock.

The Way Tubes are not stainless steel but are polished steel.

As for rust removal, although the potato method sounds interesting it is very, very slow and there are much better ways. JPG recommend evaporust or electrolysis rust removal. Electrolysis means having the correct items for it. Evaprorust or other chemicals are much easier to use. Evaprorust is quick but costs more and I have also used vinegar which costs less but takes longer about 3 days depending on the amount of rust. Because I have done a lot of Shopsmith restorations I have a PVC Pipe capped on both ends, one fixed the other removable, to de-rust Way (and Bench) Tubes in. Bench Tubes are used on Mark series Shopsmith's.

I have no idea what the two mystery parts that look as if they attach to the spindle are. They are to large for pen turning.

The picture below shows the common Table Raising parts. There were two crank versions and the Arm JPG mentioned is shown too. The arm goes on the front Main Table Post. It is shown in place on page 6 of the Owner's Guide.

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If you are going to keep the broken Motor Pulley for now, I recommend not using the 2" pulley position. It will wear out the belt much faster.

Near the top of the Maintenance and Repair section is a topic called Everything E / ER - Technical info, documentation, links which has a lot of great repair and restoration information. In the Community section is a Topic I started titled Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where. It has a lot of information about the Model 10E and 10ER. You can find it at the link below.

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It will be a lot of information to go through, but I believe worth your time.
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Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Re: My Model 10-ER Journey

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I thought you might enjoy seeing what can be done in a restoration. Below are pictures before and after of Model 10ER S/N R57376 which is the closest one I restored to yours.

This is how I found it when I went to pick it up

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Not in very good condition and partially disassembled. The surprise was inside the Headstock. :eek:

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The Drive Sleeve, Quill and Pinion Assemblies were all still in place inside this mess. The Quill and Pinion Assemblies had too much rust pitting and had to be replaced. The Drive Sleeve Bearings were also replaced which is common on my restorations. Even being sealed bearings, they are still over 70 years old.

The Main Table didn't look great but did "clean" up pretty well.

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Below is after its restoration. It is on a bench I made since it didn't have a bench when I bought it. It has the Jig Saw and Jointer/Shaper Fence accessories.

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Russ

Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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