10ER Lathe Extension

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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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chapmanruss wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:25 pm Making the Lathe Extension yourself will be much quicker than waiting to find one since I have yet to see one with a Model 10 or on its own for sale.
For sure . :D

That is my Intention,
I am just on the fence of the 3 Options I have. :rolleyes:

I just got a Deal on E bay for 2 of the 101-3 tie bars.

One of them I will have to Drill for Clearance and make a 103-3X.
The set screws I will get from McMaster Carr.
The solid insert I can turn it from Drops of CRS I have around here. :)

So that leaves me with the choice of,

I can go with 0.125 wall thickness tube it will be about $90.oo.
I can go with 0.187 wall thickness tube same as Original tubes That will be about $229.oo :eek:

Or cutting the way tubes on this 10ER I just bought without the motor. :eek:
This is my Cheapest Option.
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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IF you decide to cut way tubes, see if thee has the lateer(thinner walled) ones.
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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JPG wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:26 pm IF you decide to cut way tubes, see if thee has the lateer(thinner walled) ones.
They are the Thick Walled ones.
This is why I am Hesitating cutting them. :D
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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So pick up some Mark 5 ones.
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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Since you have a way to make the Solid Inserts you could go with, as JPG suggests, a Mark 5/V Way Tube. The Solid Inserts can be made to accommodate the different ID of the Model 10 and Mark 5/V Way Tubes. Using the thinner walled Way Tube would have a bit less weight hanging off the end of the Model 10 Way Tubes. You could also consider making the Solid Inserts longer than the drawing shows to increase support.

If you have read the topic Longer tubes in the Maintenance and Repair section, you can see getting tubing the correct size can be difficult.
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Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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JPG wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:39 pm So, pick up some Mark 5 ones.
Thanks for this Great Input/Suggestion.
I may make (1 of the Mark V's I have in my Restoration process ) into a Parts machine.
Your Suggestion has got me Thinking. :)

This is why I like this forum so much. :D

I got a chance to work on the Disassembly of my recent 10ER purchase.

So, I have made a Corporate decision.

One of the Bench Tubes is worst than I thought. :eek:

It is not a deal breaker for the Extension Project. :D
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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chapmanruss wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:56 pm Since you have a way to make the Solid Inserts you could go with, as JPG suggests, a Mark 5/V Way Tube. The Solid Inserts can be made to accommodate the different ID of the Model 10 and Mark 5/V Way Tubes. Using the thinner walled Way Tube would have a bit less weight hanging off the end of the Model 10 Way Tubes. You could also consider making the Solid Inserts longer than the drawing shows to increase support.

If you have read the topic Longer tubes in the Maintenance and Repair section, you can see getting tubing the correct size can be difficult.
Russ

Yeah I have seen that Thread. ;)

Working in the Machinist World. :)
I chose to stay out of that since I am a Newbie. ;)

Great idea. I will find the longest (Solid insert I have)
Dwayne

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2nd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Mar./1984
3rd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Jan./1981
4th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) 50th anniversary
5th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) Dec. 1996
6th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark VII (1963 ???)
7th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V / Nov. 1984 (Double Quill Bearings)
8th Shopsmith Machine = SS Greenie / 1956
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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So, a small update. :)

On my E bay scouring :rolleyes:

I now have a Carriage for both Extensions.
I also got what I thought was a deal on Tie Bars.

I have the set screws in the cart at Mcmaster Carr.

I plan to build 2 different types. (I modified the Previous Pictures posted) :D
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1st Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V /Jan./1984
2nd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Mar./1984
3rd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Jan./1981
4th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) 50th anniversary
5th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) Dec. 1996
6th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark VII (1963 ???)
7th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V / Nov. 1984 (Double Quill Bearings)
8th Shopsmith Machine = SS Greenie / 1956
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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For building the Bench type Lathe Extension (pictured below) there was a parts list included when I originally saw the pictures.

Extension Bench includes:

1-10e/er base w/ arm
1-carriage
2-26" tubes
1-Bench (includes metal bench ends w/brackets & wood top)
2-tube couplers

Not included in that list is an additional Lathe Tool Rest, Arm, Post and Collar.

I have a suggestion to consider. First the "tube couplers" appear to be a plastic sleeve. That is fine for keeping the Way Tube sections aligned but doesn't appear to have a positive connection. If I were to make one, I think I would extend the wood of the Lathe Extension Bench top to fill the gap between it and the full Bench. There could be something on those now touching bench tops to "latch" them together. Without extending the bench top so they touch, adding a latch of some kind could allow the extension bench to pull into the main bench and lift the far end off the floor. That would put the extension out of alignment. Remember that the Metal Bench Ends, when properly installed, angle slightly outward, not at a 90-degree angle, from the wood of the Bench Top.

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Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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Re: 10ER Lathe Extension

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chapmanruss wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:04 pm For building the Bench type Lathe Extension (pictured below) there was a parts list included when I originally saw the pictures.

Extension Bench includes:

1-10e/er base w/ arm
1-carriage
2-26" tubes
1-Bench (includes metal bench ends w/brackets & wood top)
2-tube couplers

Not included in that list is an additional Lathe Tool Rest, Arm, Post and Collar.

I have a suggestion to consider. First the "tube couplers" appear to be a plastic sleeve. That is fine for keeping the Way Tube sections aligned but doesn't appear to have a positive connection. If I were to make one, I think I would extend the wood of the Lathe Extension Bench top to fill the gap between it and the full Bench. There could be something on those now touching bench tops to "latch" them together. Without extending the bench top so they touch, adding a latch of some kind could allow the extension bench to pull into the main bench and lift the far end off the floor. That would put the extension out of alignment. Remember that the Metal Bench Ends, when properly installed, angle slightly outward, not at a 90-degree angle, from the wood of the Bench Top.
Thanks for this list. :cool:

With my current 10ER Inventory/ Hoard. :eek:
For this (Bench Lathe Extension project) ;)

I have:
Qty 1: Base with Arm from the last purchased 10ER with no Motor.
Qty 1: Carriage from last 10ER purchased with no motor.
Qty 1: Tube from last 10ER purchased with no motor that can be cut in half.

The Bench is (To be Fabricated with Russ's Idea of of a Latch to join the main bench with Extension bench.)

Tube couplers (Tie-Bars) purchased from E bay.

Great suggestion Russ.
I am taking notes. :cool:

Here is the carriage I purchased on E bay.
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Dwayne

1st Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V /Jan./1984
2nd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Mar./1984
3rd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Jan./1981
4th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) 50th anniversary
5th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) Dec. 1996
6th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark VII (1963 ???)
7th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V / Nov. 1984 (Double Quill Bearings)
8th Shopsmith Machine = SS Greenie / 1956
Shopsmith headstock only/ From Shopsmith/ June 1957
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