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Re: pro-planer issue

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GEC wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:22 pm I should think before I post: The pulley guard on my stand will not accept a 5" pulley at the motor end, only at the cutterhead (which doesn't make much sense). So I I either need a different pulley guard or I stick with a 3.5 in pulley on the motor. I have pulley guard kits 513552 but these cannot be attached to the planer stand. Attached is a picture of of my guard.

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Can the guard be mounted upside down?
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Re: pro-planer issue

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The current pulley cover is not long enough to accomodate a 5" pulley in either orientation. Seems that my choice is as John suggested buy a new 3.5 inch pulley and remain at 3450 rpm (motor speed) or alternatively decrease the cutter head pulley to a smaller size to increase speed? The pro planer runs at 5750 rpm according to the manual but has a 1.75 hp motor vs the 1.5 hp motor on the stand version of the planer. Could the 1.5 hp motor be asked to reliably run the cutterhead at 5175 rpm (3:2 pulley ratio)?

If I were to use smaller cutterhead pulley would I choose a pulley with a 4L pitch diameter? I am assuming the nominal 3.5 inch motor pulley is 3.5 inch 4L diameter as that is the current belt.
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Re: pro-planer issue

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Have you determined what is the maximum size pulley you can use on the motor with your current belt cover? Yours must be an earlier Belt Cover from before they changed the Pulley sizes to get the newer recommended speed of 5750.

If you can go up to 4" on the motor a 2-1/2" on the Cutterhead shaft would get you close to the recommended RPM. If you use your 3-1/2" Pulley on the motor, you could use a 2" or 2-1/4" Pulley to get closer to the desired RPM's. This is if my calculations are correct.

If using a slower RPM, you will need to slow your feed rate accordingly.
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I am curious how often the 12" planers spin a pulley and how often cutter head bearings need replacement? I ask because I need to replace a bad pulley on my stand-adapted 12" planer that had two 3.5" pulleys (either zinc die cast or aluminum I cannot tell which). Several have suggested using cast iron pulleys for replacement and shopsmith's now discontinued retro-upgrade kit contained cast iron pulleys. The cast iron pulleys are significantly heavier than the cast pulleys and I cannot find cast iron pulleys that are dynamically balanced. Is there any experience with cast iron pulleys taking a toll on the cutter head bearings? Has anyone encountered cast iron pulleys spinning on the shafts. Is the higher RPMs of the 5:3 ratio pulleys too high for the die-cast pulleys that weigh less and are generally better balanced after manufacturing? All this goes to choosing the right replacement for my pulleys.

Does anyone have educated opinions on whether cast iron pulleys will alter the failure point from the belt/pulleys to the shafts or bearing? In other words am I better off to replace with die cast pulleys that are easier to replace again or are the shafts and bearings sufficient to withstand stresses that the cast iron pulleys might ignore? Any guesses why shopsmith discontinued the 12" planer and pro planers?
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In my opinion, cast iron pulleys that are dimensionally stable will cause less wear/tear than a less robust pulley. Based on experience with other devices. Die cast are way too prone to being 'bent' as well as providing less secure set screw threads.
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Re: pro-planer issue

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GEC wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:24 pm Any guesses why shopsmith discontinued the 12" planer and pro planers?
Nick has stated publicly that the profit margin was too slim to continue making them
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