Well.... Another "new" greenie

dlbristol · Post by **dlbristol** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:49 pm

I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but I just returned from looking at the "very old" SS. It was a "goldie". A solid frame and tubes with a bit of rust. The table would not raise due to both gears being stripped. The table carriage would slide well enough but the handle was pushed in and scraped the carriage. it was missing everything but the sanding disk, table and tail stock. Nothing else to be found! The head stock could be turned with the disk. It grabbed twice on each revolution. I didn't even try to move the speed control. It was set at the top end. The seller said it would start, but then flip the breaker. I suspect it was just because of being on high speed, but not sure. Since I was primarily looking to fix one up and maybe make it a gift, I declined at $100. I just could not see myself doing all that needed to be done and finding all the parts. I might have come out ok by parting it out IF the headstock was ok, but I had no way of being even somewhat sure. I salute you who do this, it is amazing to see what you accomplish. Maybe I will try again if I find the right machine.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:56 pm

dlbristol wrote:I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but I just returned from looking at the "very old" SS. It was a "goldie". A solid frame and tubes with a bit of rust. The table would not raise due to both gears being stripped. The table carriage would slide well enough but the handle was pushed in and scraped the carriage. it was missing everything but the sanding disk, table and tail stock. Nothing else to be found! The head stock could be turned with the disk. It grabbed twice on each revolution. I didn't even try to move the speed control. It was set at the top end. The seller said it would start, but then flip the breaker. I suspect it was just because of being on high speed, but not sure. Since I was primarily looking to fix one up and maybe make it a gift, I declined at $100. I just could not see myself doing all that needed to be done and finding all the parts. I might have come out ok by parting it out IF the headstock was ok, but I had no way of being even somewhat sure. I salute you who do this, it is amazing to see what you accomplish. Maybe I will try again if I find the right machine.

A basket case with a multitude of missing pieces is, i agree, not a good first experience.

mikelst · Post by **mikelst** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:19 pm

I thought I had some pictures of the headstock as I was tearing it down but I couldn't find them when I looked for them the other day.....

I found them today, on my phone.

Here are some pictures of the headstock as I was stripping it for cleaning.

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mikelst · Post by **mikelst** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:31 pm

And here is a post of today's progress.

Painted, polished and burned (sun burned:p) all day today.

The legs look nice
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You can see the tubes, tailstock, ...
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Mostly this is the headstock
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casters, belt cover, miter gauge... and some polished stuff too. Nothing like mickeyd's but not bad.
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Yep folks that is almost a whole SHOPSMITH MK 5 sitting there waiting for some parts from SHOPSMITH to put it together. Well I'm letting the paint dry and harden too.

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And that brings you up to date on 320395

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:46 pm

Mike - I admire your work! The baby is already looking real good!

Dave - Aw gee! Sometimes those wishful trips just don't work out. Sounds like you were right to leave it!

dlbristol · Post by **dlbristol** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:25 pm

Thanks Chuck, I have a tendency to look back and question decisions some times, but not that one. I did a bit of looking at new and used parts and I would have had $500 in parts pretty quickly to fix this. An upgrade would have been at least that much, and probably the only way to get a real usable machine, so I am satisfied. The seller was a bit miffed, arguing that the head stock was worth the $100. I learned a lot , and will keep looking.

PG-Zac · Post by **PG-Zac** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:41 pm

Looking good Mike - Man ! I wish I hand access to grit blasting.

mmorris · Post by **mmorris** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:39 am

Dave,
Keep looking; decent ones are still out there.
I put an add in the local shoppers and picked up a $100 greenie within 65 miles. It is now stripped down and just needs about $40 worth of parts and some TLC and it will be as good as new. Doesn't have the sander, or lathe "stuff", but I have all this on my other unit so it is not needed.

wannabewoodworker · Post by **wannabewoodworker** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:52 am

Mike,
Your headstock looks very familiar I just posted pics of my newly painted headstock and the rest of the parts. I used black/gunmetal hammered for the other parts that you painted green. I would have used the green if it were available but I couldn't find it locally so I went with the black/silver theme. It is a labor of love for sure and i am itching to get mine completed as you are I am sure. I also am waiting now on completing the painting of the legs and then getting the parts I need to finish the headstock. Soon real soon!

billmayo · Post by **billmayo** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:59 am

JPG40504 wrote:Idler bearing eccentric 'KEEPER' pix!

First is the retaining clip(which ss refers to as a keeper).
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Next shows the outer arm length. It will prevent the bearing from drifting out the back. The small arm on the other end will prevent the eccentric from drifting into the headstock.
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Next shows it all assembled.
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Notice this makes the assembly proud of the casting(an early sandcasting).

For purposes of accuracy, note that the idler shaft is a poly-v version.

As for the eccentric set screw coming loose, it should be long enough that the inside of the bore prevents the tip from coming completely out of the groove in the bearing. I defer to Bill's experienvce that says they come loose. If the set screw is aligned with the bottom of the bore, it could come out, but that position is unlikely even with a new belt(eccentric set for minimum separation from idler to main shaft.

Yes, the set screw in the eccentric bushing has enough room to come loose allowing the bearing to start out of the eccentric bushing. The washer was too small to prevent this from occurring. I had a headstock last week with this problem. This destroyed the Poly-V and motor drive belts too.

The last picture shows why I do not use the clips on the early sand cast housings. The eccentric bushing with the clips does not allow me to have the Gilmer belt tracking in the center of the drive sleeve pully. With the 2 clips, the Gilmer belt normally rides againest the back ridge of the drive sleeve pulley causing the Gilmer belt to fray on that edge. I drill and tap a hole in the housing above the back of the eccentric bushing, I use a screw and body washer to prevent the eccentric bushing and the bearing from moving out of the housing.

The eccentric bushing set screw is to prevemt the outter race of the idler shaft from spinning inside the eccentic bushing. The eccentric bushing Shopsmith has been using lately has no set screw but the eccentric bushing has a gap at its thinest part so the eccentric bushing can compress around the bearing when the bolt below the eccentric bushing is tighten. I used my metal cutting bandsaw to cut the thinest part and discarded the set screw. It is just really hard to get this cut eccentric bushing I made onto the bearing.

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Well.... Another "new" greenie

I admire those that restore SS!

Some before pictures.