My project the last 3 days (ER)

reible · Post by **reible** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:54 pm

This is the second 10ER that I have purchased. The first one was for a birthday gift for one of my brothers, nice gift I'd say. While familiarizing with that one and getting the feel for the heavy metal I knew I had to get one for myself. Just over a year ago I found one on ebay, local, cheap, delivered to my door, I couldn't pass it up.

The sort of bad news was that two months before that I got a 500 to work on and that one was to be taken up to the UP of MI in the fall. So my work went into that one and the 10ER was disassembled and stored.

This past early spring I packed a bunch of parts to take up north to work on, turned out I never got them out of the van, the 10 days went by with me doing other things that really had to be done.

I unpacked them at home again, thinking they would get worked on then, the then never happened and again we were on another trip to the UP, yea, I packed them in the van again. At least this time I got them out of the van and had high hopes of working on them. What happens is that it gets cold and damp and rains for 10 days. Just too cool to work on them the whole time.

Back home with them again and for a couple more months nothing happens. Then 2 days ago I got back to the project (today was day three). Sill have another couple of days work but that will have to be another time as I'm on to another project.

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These are the primed and ready to shoot pieces for that other day. Not pictured are the tubes, done last summer, and a lot of smaller parts that are cleaned up but don't get painted.

The main table top, not pictured, looks nasty as does the lumber for the bench. Hope to work them in during the rains they claim are coming for the next few days if I can.

Speaking of nasty, I cleaned up the tank today, some rusty chicken wire and reverse the leads leads to this:

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I leave the wire dry out for a couple of days then step on it and most of the gunk is left on the paper, this is the 5th time this wire has been used.

The final color scheme has not been been worked out yet, it will not be remotely stock, I'd like to say it will not be like grandpa shopsmith but then I have to remind myself I have 8 grandchildren.... so it is grandpa's color, or it will be when it is done, after all.

Ed

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:13 pm

reible wrote:This is the second 10ER that I have purchased. The first one was for a birthday gift for one of my brothers, nice gift I'd say. While familiarizing with that one and getting the feel for the heavy metal I knew I had to get one for myself. Just over a year ago I found one on ebay, local, cheap, delivered to my door, I couldn't pass it up.

The sort of bad news was that two months before that I got a 500 to work on and that one was to be taken up to the UP of MI in the fall. So my work went into that one and the 10ER was disassembled and stored.

This past early spring I packed a bunch of parts to take up north to work on, turned out I never got them out of the van, the 10 days went by with me doing other things that really had to be done.

I unpacked them at home again, thinking they would get worked on then, the then never happened and again we were on another trip to the UP, yea, I packed them in the van again. At least this time I got them out of the van and had high hopes of working on them. What happens is that it gets cold and damp and rains for 10 days. Just too cool to work on them the whole time.

Back home with them again and for a couple more months nothing happens. Then 2 days ago I got back to the project (today was day three). Sill have another couple of days work but that will have to be another time as I'm on to another project.

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These are the primed and ready to shoot pieces for that other day. Not pictured are the tubes, done last summer, and a lot of smaller parts that are cleaned up but don't get painted.

The main table top, not pictured, looks nasty as does the lumber for the bench. Hope to work them in during the rains they claim are coming for the next few days if I can.

Speaking of nasty, I cleaned up the tank today, some rusty chicken wire and reverse the leads leads to this:

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[ATTACH]14307[/ATTACH]

I leave the wire dry out for a couple of days then step on it and most of the gunk is left on the paper, this is the 5th time this wire has been used.

The final color scheme has not been been worked out yet, it will not be remotely stock, I'd like to say it will not be like grandpa shopsmith but then I have to remind myself I have 8 grandchildren.... so it is grandpa's color, or it will be when it is done, after all.

Ed

Interesting collection - two different two hole head rest(one ci the other alum?), two different pulley covers(one open ended?), two different tailstock, two tie bars. How many are you going to 'assemble'?

I have come to the conclusion that in addition to the 10E and 10ER there are 10ERR and 10ERRR and 10ERRRR.....!:D

reible · Post by **reible** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:32 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Interesting collection - two different two hole head rest(one ci the other alum?), two different pulley covers(one open ended?), two different tailstock, two tie bars. How many are you going to 'assemble'?

I have come to the conclusion that in addition to the 10E and 10ER there are 10ERR and 10ERRR and 10ERRRR.....!:D

My note book has several pages of ideas that I will play with when I get this one together, some of those ideas account for the "extra" parts.

Addressing a couple of your observations, I really have three head rests, one is a ruff cast one, the second a much improved cast one and then the aluminum one. The very ruff one I may end up parting with at some point and I did not want to take the pleasure of restoration away from a future owner.

The pulley cover with the open end I did so the coupler will fit for attachments on that side of the machine. Shopsmith had instructions for this operation so it was pretty simple. The other cover is better suited for operations without the coupler, it is made out of magnesium of all things... decided that was not the one to cut and grind!

So I guess you might call this one a 10ER-X for now.

Ed

reible · Post by **reible** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:11 pm

Remember the chicken wire with all the mess from the earlier post? If not go back and check that, then take a look at the "after it dries and I step on it" photo here:

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Ed

Shop_Smith_Poppi · Post by **Shop_Smith_Poppi** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:23 pm

and what is the purpose of this chicken wire?

reible · Post by **reible** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:03 pm

Shop_Smith_Poppi wrote:and what is the purpose of this chicken wire?

Tank cleaning, the bits that come off the rusty item you put in collect at the other metal in the tank. If you reverse the connections it happens the other way round and the chicken wire collects the junk and you can then get it out of the tank.

Ed

Shop_Smith_Poppi · Post by **Shop_Smith_Poppi** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:03 am

Cool bean I was thinking that is what was going on here but was not 100 percent certain.

very cool idea!

chipmaster · Post by **chipmaster** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:45 pm

I followed some threads on this tank cleaning method--I never saw a set of before and after photos, however. I'd like to see and/or hear your opinion on the advantage of using this setup over just sandblasting, wire-wheeling, etc.

v/r,

Rick

reible · Post by **reible** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:27 pm

Hi,

I have used several methods of removing rust and it really depends on a lot of factors as to what works best and or fastest and or what criteria you use to judge by.

Let's start with sand blasting, If you have a good set up then it works great. My brother has a sandblaster, large tank and a large compressor. You have to have a large air flow so big tank and big compressor. He has a place for one and I don't (not to mention the cost of the compressor/tank being prohibitive for me). I have used it and it takes paint and rust off with little work. Bad thing he doesn't have one of those cabinets where you put the parts in then use these arm deals with built in gloves to contain the sand and then recover some of it to reduce the cost of media. I have warn safety goggles then a sandblasters hood and gloves........... the sand goes everywhere so either coveralls or ?? provides the best protection. It is a messy project if done this way. You do have options for smaller sized system and using different media like soda but it is not as fast nor for larger projects.

I like wire brushes, either as the sole solution or combined with chemical or electrical pre-strips. A fine brass wire brush gets a pretty good looking finish on metals while a course get paint and dirt off pretty darn quick. The biggest issues I have seen with them is getting it to small tight locations with little dremel type brush at $2.50-$3.50 each get used up in moments, on the other end of the spectrum when large items can also be hard to work on. I've also be stuck a few times with broken wires, right through clothing. Almost anything I clean up is at one time or another be going to be wire brushed, or of course not...

The tank for electrolysis I have limits the size of what I can put in it. You can put things twice as tall in and use the flip it over method to do the whole piece but for the most part mine is just for smaller parts. You can make what ever size tank you want, yea I guess if you have an unused swimming pool in the back yard have at it... Two dangers are that you are making a potential explosive mix of gasses and you can create some nasty soup if you use the wrong materials... The good news is that you are only taking off the rust with this method. You hook it up and walk away come back hours later or overnight and it is ready, you can't over cook it. You will have a gunk on the part that needs to be cleaned off, fresh water and then maybe a wire brush.

There are several chemical baths methods, sand paper methods, solvent and steel wool, and many many other ways. No way is always the best for every task, and no one can tell you a preference that you are guarantee to fall in love with.

There are many references to shopsmith restoration here at the forum. I'd try to search for them and do some more reading on what was done. Then try some experimentation on some old rusty parts and see what you think.

Ed

chipmaster · Post by **chipmaster** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:34 pm

Ed,

Thanks for going over the pros and cons for me. I may try your method at some point. Right now I just reach for the wire wheel. I do have one of those blast cabinets but I've never gotten it to the point where it keeps all the dust where it belongs: inside the cabinet. One thing I like about your method is the potential reduction in dust production. I've only got one set of lungs.

v/r,

Rick