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Everything E / ER - Technical info, documentation, links

mickyd

Update 6-03-2021: Cleaned up all the bad links from a decade ago.

With the volume of various threads and posts related to technical info on the E / ER machines, I saw it fitting to start a thread that can compile E / ER related information in one place. It will either contain the info directly or link out to appropriate areas. Informational commentary and dialog is welcome. To keep the thread on topic may be difficult. We'll see how this works.

Maintenance and repair

Wedge lock repair
MKC Tools - Maintainence and mods
Speed changer setup instruction - see attached pdf -
Prevent table raiser crank damage by doing this.
Drill chuck - Disassembly, inspection - This thread
Caster assembly instructions - Shows a Mark V but casters are the same.
Belt sizes - This thread

Restoration Threads / Sites -

mickyd, heath, MKC tools, shipwright

Speed changer setup - 10ER.pdf

mickyd

Gallery of Restorations- DON'T MISS SEEING THIS THREAD[/list]

Miscellaneous Stuff

Under table router modification - 1, 2
10 E Knob locations and sizes
Speed in RPM's with and without a speed changer - Read thisand several posts down in the thread for good info
Speed changer scale - Two different styles, 0 thru 5, and 0 thru 8

mickyd

These are the various manuals for E / ER stuff

http://joeswoodshop.yolasite.com/10-er-pdf-page.php

beeg

How about tech lnfo on the MArkV?

mickyd

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rpd

Due to the ravages of time, many of the links that Mickyd compiled above are no longer current, this is an up to date list that I put together. :)

Shopsmith 10E & 10ER Resources

The Shopsmith 10E (10Experimental) and later 10ER (10Experimental Revised)

was invented by Dr. Hans Goldschmidt after WW2. They were manufactured from

late 1947 until the Mark V was introduced in 1954.

Everett Davis has done a lot of excellent work restoring and enhancing Shopsmith

documentation. These are available on his Google Drive (to access these files,

click the link below, then in the first post click on the red “My Google Drive”)

https://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/maintenance-and-repair-f10/shopsmith-large-format-drawings-illustrations-and--t16113.html

Then open the folder “10E & 10ER MAGNA”

You can download a restored manual for the 10E and/or 10ER but be sure to also

get the “Preliminary MAGNA Shopsmith Manual Restored” as well. Everett has

added a large amount of material to this file covering changes the were made

over the course of production, and the the history of these great machines. Well

worth a read.

While you are there you will also want to click on the folder “PTWFE 10ER 1953”

and download the file. This is an restored and enhanced digital copy of the first

edition of Power Tool Woodworking For Everyone by R. J. DeCristoforo. This book

was written to illustrate how to use all the functions of the 10E/ER, later editions

feature the Mark V.

Other sources for documentation are:

- VintageMachinery.org under Magna Engineering

http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgIndex/detail.aspx?id=338&tab=3

- Geoffrey Baker’s web page

http://www.lhdigest.com/SS/PDFsearch.cfm

Parts and information on mods are available on Skip Campbell’s MKCtools web page.

http://www.mkctools.com/index.html

Parts are also available from HogWinslow

https://sites.google.com/site/hogwinslowwoodworking/?fbclid=IwAR2OQOYxKWgi3jUCL45_syMbiYnq4Eh_lZRKiOm1srtWgsnNOxPG34rG3OY

There are also several communities on line that support the 10E/ER

- the Shopsmith forum (but then you are here already ;) ) – I find this one has the best search function and you can also use Google to search it, and it has the best format for long, in-depth discussions and restoration threads. Best viewed on a larger screen, desktop, laptop, or tablet.

On a smart phone use the Tapatalk app.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/index.php

Some of the 10ER specific threads that will be of interest.

- Mickyd's restoration thread

https://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/maintenance-and-repair-f10/restoration-progress-on-my-1952-er10-t3503.html

Chapmanruss's discussion of the evolution of the 10E-ER over the course of their production run.

Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

https://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/community-f7/shopsmith-model-10-s-what-when-and-where-t23647.html

On Facebook – formatted for small screens, poor search function.

- Shopsmith 10E & 10ER’s

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Shopsmith10ER/

- Shopsmith Digital Motor Conversion

https://www.facebook.com/groups/shopsmithdigital/

- Shopsmith Owners Group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/684461538311971/

- Shopsmith Troubleshooting and Tips

https://www.facebook.com/groups/435332030179571/

There used to be older style email groups on Yahoo Groups for the Shopsmith 10ER and Shopsmith. Due to changes at Yahoo these groups have moved to Groups.IO. The change over was recent so all the old discussions, files, and pictures are not necessarily ported over yet and some were lost forever.

- Shopsmith10ER@groups.io

https://groups.io/g/shopsmith10er

- Shopsmith Owners and Users Group

https://groups.io/g/SSUsers2

I see that SSUG.org is gone now too.

mickyd

Thanks for picking up this thread rpd. I am going to refresh/eliminate bad links in the original posts.

dusty

mickyd wrote Thanks for picking up this thread rpd. I am going to refresh/eliminate bad links in the original posts.

Good to have you back. Hope you plan to stay awhile.

mickyd

Time will tell dusty. I retired last Friday so I am going to have to find SOMETHING to do with all my time besides vacations, mountain biking, and driving Mrs. Daigle crazy.

JPG

mickyd wrote Time will tell dusty. I retired last Friday so I am going to have to find SOMETHING to do with all my time besides vacations, mountain biking, and driving Mrs. Daigle crazy.

That last item is likely the easiest! :D

mickyd

JPG wrote
mickyd wrote Time will tell dusty. I retired last Friday so I am going to have to find SOMETHING to do with all my time besides vacations, mountain biking, and driving Mrs. Daigle crazy.
That last item is likely the easiest! :D

True. It's a short trip!

(On no honey, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about my trip to go clean the bathroom, then fold the laundry, then vacuum the house....)

I'm the MAN of this house!!!

JPG

LOL!!!

ShoptimusPrime

I'm about to completely disassemble my 10e headstock and I was noticing that the quill return on it is a bit on the weak side compared to my mark v. For the reassembly, what is the correct number of turns for preloading the quill return spring. I know that the spring is packed with sawdust and in need of a very thorough cleaning, along with everything else.

JPG

How ever many rotations it takes to provide the tension needed. ;)

Majones1

In the owners manual, in the section on the Headstock, it talks about the spindle, quill, and tensioning the spring return. and like JPG said, it says "Keep turning the feed lever until desired tension is obtained." I think mine is 4 turns.

There are a couple of things to keep in mind here though. First, you need to make sure the quill moves in and out freely, so you may need to clean and wax it, and make sure the feed mechanism is not binding. Second, you'll want to be careful of not over tensioning as the spring can disengage from the screw that holds one end to the pinion shaft. If it disengages, you will need to open it up to reconnect it. I found that I did not have to completely take it apart to reconnect it, I just had to be able to get a small screwdriver or scribe in there to reposition the hole in the spring over the screw and push it down so the spring catches onto that screw.

JPG

It is 'under' tensioning that causes the spring to slip off the headed stud on the shaft.

Majones1

JPG wrote It is 'under' tensioning that causes the spring to slip off the headed stud on the shaft.

That makes more sense, doesn’t it. Now that you mention it, I remember that is what I accidentally did the first time I removed the quill on my 10ER. I didn’t pay close enough attention to the feed handle and let it slip. I haven’t done that again. I now use a small 6” bungee cord that I wrap around the handle to maintain the spring tension.

BobT

I just had an idea --- I will take the belt from the very old 10E to an auto parts shop and get a spare now.

Bob T

chapmanruss

Bob T,

If this helps, the standard single belt for the Model 10E and 10ER is 4L380. That's a 38" "V" belt and works with the 1/2 HP A. O. Smith motor common to Model 10's. Some motors may require a different size belt and most commonly a 39" belt (4L390) which is sometimes needed for a 3/4 HP motor. I also use a 39" belt for additional speeds besides the listed 3 speeds of the Model 10's to give a total of 7 speeds. See the attached chart for more information.

If normally using a 39" belt than add a 40" (4L400) belt for the additional speeds.

For anyone using the Speed Changer the belt sizes are 4L220 and 4L250 or 22" and 25". The original belts for the Speed Changer were 22.5" and 25.5" but those 1/2" size belts (4L225 & 4L255) are no longer found.

Table of Speeds Model 10s.pdf

Mike

Thank you everybody for the incredible amount of information! I knew this forum was great but now that I have a rusty old, new to me, 10ER it has become spectacular! Can't wait to get started, and mickyd, what an inspiration to see your restored machines. This is gonna be some fun.

Thank you all so much and best regards, Mike