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For those keeping score, my idler shaft on the PowerPro just puked a bearing (if you can call those tiny Chinese crap, bearings).

So so far I have replaced everything except the motor and the quill LOL.

I am trying to keep positive ... /:
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1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
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1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
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rjent wrote:For those keeping score, my idler shaft on the PowerPro just puked a bearing (if you can call those tiny Chinese crap, bearings).

So so far I have replaced everything except the motor and the quill LOL.

I am trying to keep positive ... /:

OK, What size are these "tiny" bearings?
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JPG wrote:

OK, What size are these "tiny" bearings?
So you are saying you want pictures .... :)
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1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....

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rjent wrote: So so far I have replaced everything except the motor and the quill LOL.:

This is hardly encouraging. If I may ask, (1) how old is your Power Pro and (2) was it a DIY install or did you buy the Power Pro pre-installed by Shopsmith?
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algale wrote:
rjent wrote: So so far I have replaced everything except the motor and the quill LOL.:

This is hardly encouraging. If I may ask, (1) how old is your Power Pro and (2) was it a DIY install or did you buy the Power Pro pre-installed by Shopsmith?
I bought a Mark 7 in the spring of 2014 and I love the function of the machine, I truly do. It was a factory build of course. I have used it a lot, but my Mark V's probably have longer run times (at 40 years old) as I use them running the belt sander, band saw(s), etc. The PP starts, does it's function, then is turned off.

Like I said, I am trying to stay positive. The one thing that I have contention with is their lack of support. I don't see this as normal. If it is, then shame on them if it isn't then shame on them.

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1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....

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It would probably be worth taking a look at what size the bearings are. If they are some standard size, you might be able to pick up US made replacement bearings to install.
Last I looked, there are still some high quality bearings made in the US. If you can find some, they could be your solution.
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I asked because that is the second time in recent posts that they have been mentioned as inadequate. Curious if smaller than current or MVII idler shaft bearing pairs.
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JPG wrote:
rjent wrote:For those keeping score, my idler shaft on the PowerPro just puked a bearing (if you can call those tiny Chinese crap, bearings).

So so far I have replaced everything except the motor and the quill LOL.

I am trying to keep positive ... /:

OK, What size are these "tiny" bearings?
Are these not the same bearings as those in a Mark V with the new idler shaft/eccentric?
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JPG wrote:I asked because that is the second time in recent posts that they have been mentioned as inadequate. Curious if smaller than current or MVII idler shaft bearing pairs.
I will post a picture later today. My contention is that this is a shaft that will turn at 16000 RPM when the quill is turning at 10000. Ironically, I have not had to disassemble the bearings on the Mark V or VII as they are still in good shape. That kind of speed needs a solid bearing set. There is going to be some lateral loads because of the inaccurate method of "balancing the sound" when setting up the shaft in question. I have seen better bearings in dot matrix printers.

Just seems under designed. But what do I know .... :)
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1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....

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rjent wrote:
JPG wrote:I asked because that is the second time in recent posts that they have been mentioned as inadequate. Curious if smaller than current or MVII idler shaft bearing pairs.
I will post a picture later today. My contention is that this is a shaft that will turn at 16000 RPM when the quill is turning at 10000. Ironically, I have not had to disassemble the bearings on the Mark V or VII as they are still in good shape. That kind of speed needs a solid bearing set. There is going to be some lateral loads because of the inaccurate method of "balancing the sound" when setting up the shaft in question. I have seen better bearings in dot matrix printers.

Just seems under designed. But what do I know .... :)
I may be wrong but I am under the impression that the idler shaft bearings were upgraded on the new Mark V idler shaft in anticipation of the Mark 7. The difference between the shaft assembly for the Mark V and that for the Mark 7 is that the Mark 7 shaft is "shorter to accommodate the new pulley (without a sheave).
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