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Re: Must-Have Shopsmith Upgrades List

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Forrest wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:56 pm Really appreciate this response. My projects are kind of all over the place, but I split time between cabinets and other similar "large" scale furniture and small storage boxes. Currently am working mostly with sheet goods and S4S boards, but I want to move towards milling my own lumber. My plan is to pick up a 12-13" surface planer to compliment the 4" edge jointer of the Shopsmith. I don't think I have brought home anything larger than 12/4, but I do know the 4" will limit. I just don't have the space to dedicate to a 6" or larger dedicated jointer.

I do already have the DC3300 and it works just fine honestly. It sounds like hard tubing would make a bigger difference than the DC6000 upgrade so I might just do that. I have debated the 42" hood. I am also cautious when it comes to health concerns. It is a small space, but 17" ceilings and a 10' tall window that can be fully open to outside. I have also built a wall dividing the rest of the loft from the workshop. I run 2 larger multi-stage air purifiers in the loft and I try to leave the dust collection on with the ports open for a while after I finish working (this would be more effective with the larger hood). Along with wearing a respirator most of the time when I am in the shop.

After this message, new knives, the larger hood, and those BlueMax tires are on the short list.
So, I am not clear from your original post. Do you already have the Shopsmith jointer that you picked up, or are you considering buying one? Based on your interests, I would say you could possibly get by without a jointer for many projects if you are buying good quality S4S lumber. The Shopsmith jointer is well built but this also makes it heavy to mount/unmount. In that form factor of a short bed jointer, in 2024 I would encourage you to look into benchtop jointers that are on the market, e.g. Rikon has a nice 8" jointer (viewtopic.php?p=312101#p312101). Personally I don't see the Shopsmith jointer as competitive today with most of what is out there. I know you can't fit a long bed, wide width jointer in your shop...neither can I. Unless you already have the Shopsmith jointer or are getting a smoking deal on one, I would honestly look elsewhere. With either option you can do extensions on the infeed & outfeed to handle longer lumber that is cupped. IF your S4S is perfect, then ignore this last point. In a small shop like yours and mine, I really see a lot of value in the lunchbox (or benchtop) type planers and jointers that are on the market. They can be pulled out and used, but then easily tucked away when not needed. In hindsight, I wish I had saved the money that I spent new on the Shopsmith 4" jointer and Mark V mounted 12" planer and gone this route instead. They don't even sell the Shopsmith planers anymore and who knows how much longer the jointer will be sold.

The pluses of the DC3300 are that they are cheap used today, compact footprint, they are relatively quiet and they last. The cons to me are insufficient airflow and cloth filter hoods which leak too much of the smaller particulate dust that is more damaging to the lungs. Some have constructed adapters to attach HEPA filters onto their DC3300. This would definitely be an improvement, but it is costly. One downside with this is HEPA filters clog on sawdust so they have to be cleaned (not all of them can be blown out with compressed air without damaging the filter media). This is why typically a dust collector has a 1st stage of a cyclone to capture the majority of the sawdust to prolong HEPA filter life. The DC3300 has anemic airflow, so putting a cyclone in front will only restrict it even more...of course I have this as well with my ShopVac™ setup and cyclone so what I am saying is it could be worth trying and just see what you get. Just know HEPA filter dust collectors without cyclones in front of them clog fast. I really would get the laser particle counter to investigate dust particulates in the shop and living space to see how you are doing for IAQ (Indoor Air Quality). They were only like $50 last time I got one so they are reasonable. Not sure I would hard pipe the DC3300, but the choice is yours. It is anemic on airflow and hoses or piping create restrictions to this airflow. There is a good Nick Engler video around somewhere I can try to find if you want to do this where he goes through the math for PVC sizing that is appropriate to connect to a DC3300 (bigger isn't necessarily better). They also made a special plenum to connect the DC3300's to this piping in the Shopsmith Academy when they had it. Keeping good quality hoses and shorter runs to each tool from the DC3300 is the better bet performance wise, but may be less convenient.
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Re: Must-Have Shopsmith Upgrades List

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RFGuy wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:20 pm There is a good Nick Engler video around somewhere I can try to find if you want to do this where he goes through the math for PVC sizing that is appropriate to connect to a DC3300 (bigger isn't necessarily better). They also made a special plenum to connect the DC3300's to this piping in the Shopsmith Academy when they had it. Keeping good quality hoses and shorter runs to each tool from the DC3300 is the better bet performance wise, but may be less convenient.
In case anyone is interested, I did find the Nick Engler video that discusses the math and recommended PVC sizing for creating a dust collection system for the DC3300. He did a good job of covering everything from what I remember, but been a few years since I watched all of it. He also, showed the "octopus" that was created to be a plenum for interfacing to the DC3300 with it to utilize all 3 ports for the fixed duct system (so you can still disconnect the DC3300 for moving it around). I believe they used this system in the Shopsmith Academy. I don't know how well it worked, but I do know they had multiple DC3300's in their setup. Were they all independent or some working in parallel? Not sure...

Personally, I would NOT do the "octopus" and just hook up directly to the 4" inlet of the DC3300 to maximize airflow, i.e. removing the 3 port manifold that comes standard on every DC3300.

http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/SS_Arch ... ection.htm
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Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
Festool (Emerald): DF 500 Q | RO 150 FEQ | OF 1400 EQ | TS 55 REQ | CT 26 E
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Re: Must-Have Shopsmith Upgrades List

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RFGuy wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:20 pm
Forrest wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:56 pm Really appreciate this response. My projects are kind of all over the place, but I split time between cabinets and other similar "large" scale furniture and small storage boxes. Currently am working mostly with sheet goods and S4S boards, but I want to move towards milling my own lumber. My plan is to pick up a 12-13" surface planer to compliment the 4" edge jointer of the Shopsmith. I don't think I have brought home anything larger than 12/4, but I do know the 4" will limit. I just don't have the space to dedicate to a 6" or larger dedicated jointer.

I do already have the DC3300 and it works just fine honestly. It sounds like hard tubing would make a bigger difference than the DC6000 upgrade so I might just do that. I have debated the 42" hood. I am also cautious when it comes to health concerns. It is a small space, but 17" ceilings and a 10' tall window that can be fully open to outside. I have also built a wall dividing the rest of the loft from the workshop. I run 2 larger multi-stage air purifiers in the loft and I try to leave the dust collection on with the ports open for a while after I finish working (this would be more effective with the larger hood). Along with wearing a respirator most of the time when I am in the shop.

After this message, new knives, the larger hood, and those BlueMax tires are on the short list.
So, I am not clear from your original post. Do you already have the Shopsmith jointer that you picked up, or are you considering buying one? Based on your interests, I would say you could possibly get by without a jointer for many projects if you are buying good quality S4S lumber. The Shopsmith jointer is well built but this also makes it heavy to mount/unmount. In that form factor of a short bed jointer, in 2024 I would encourage you to look into benchtop jointers that are on the market, e.g. Rikon has a nice 8" jointer (viewtopic.php?p=312101#p312101). Personally I don't see the Shopsmith jointer as competitive today with most of what is out there. I know you can't fit a long bed, wide width jointer in your shop...neither can I. Unless you already have the Shopsmith jointer or are getting a smoking deal on one, I would honestly look elsewhere. With either option you can do extensions on the infeed & outfeed to handle longer lumber that is cupped. IF your S4S is perfect, then ignore this last point. In a small shop like yours and mine, I really see a lot of value in the lunchbox (or benchtop) type planers and jointers that are on the market. They can be pulled out and used, but then easily tucked away when not needed. In hindsight, I wish I had saved the money that I spent new on the Shopsmith 4" jointer and Mark V mounted 12" planer and gone this route instead. They don't even sell the Shopsmith planers anymore and who knows how much longer the jointer will be sold.

The pluses of the DC3300 are that they are cheap used today, compact footprint, they are relatively quiet and they last. The cons to me are insufficient airflow and cloth filter hoods which leak too much of the smaller particulate dust that is more damaging to the lungs. Some have constructed adapters to attach HEPA filters onto their DC3300. This would definitely be an improvement, but it is costly. One downside with this is HEPA filters clog on sawdust so they have to be cleaned (not all of them can be blown out with compressed air without damaging the filter media). This is why typically a dust collector has a 1st stage of a cyclone to capture the majority of the sawdust to prolong HEPA filter life. The DC3300 has anemic airflow, so putting a cyclone in front will only restrict it even more...of course I have this as well with my ShopVac™ setup and cyclone so what I am saying is it could be worth trying and just see what you get. Just know HEPA filter dust collectors without cyclones in front of them clog fast. I really would get the laser particle counter to investigate dust particulates in the shop and living space to see how you are doing for IAQ (Indoor Air Quality). They were only like $50 last time I got one so they are reasonable. Not sure I would hard pipe the DC3300, but the choice is yours. It is anemic on airflow and hoses or piping create restrictions to this airflow. There is a good Nick Engler video around somewhere I can try to find if you want to do this where he goes through the math for PVC sizing that is appropriate to connect to a DC3300 (bigger isn't necessarily better). They also made a special plenum to connect the DC3300's to this piping in the Shopsmith Academy when they had it. Keeping good quality hoses and shorter runs to each tool from the DC3300 is the better bet performance wise, but may be less convenient.
I got a jointer with the Shopsmith I bought second hand. That is the only reason I ask about it. For something I got for basically free, it seems like a decent start. All cast iron and powered by the PowerPro 2hp motor. It is definitely small, but until I'm ready to upgrade it doesn't look like a bad unit to get running. Just bought some new old stock knives on eBay for $40 and one of those metal jointer knife setting gauges.

My want for hard tubing was actually to address airflow. That stock long bendy tube should theoretically be the biggest bottleneck. My plan was for a very direct short run of rigid tubing for the least resistance to the machine and then buy some kind of 2' tube to plug into the ports on the machine. 1 run, no octopus, mostly smooth tubing.
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Re: Must-Have Shopsmith Upgrades List

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Forrest wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 5:54 pm I got a jointer with the Shopsmith I bought second hand. That is the only reason I ask about it. For something I got for basically free, it seems like a decent start. All cast iron and powered by the PowerPro 2hp motor. It is definitely small, but until I'm ready to upgrade it doesn't look like a bad unit to get running. Just bought some new old stock knives on eBay for $40 and one of those metal jointer knife setting gauges.

My want for hard tubing was actually to address airflow. That stock long bendy tube should theoretically be the biggest bottleneck. My plan was for a very direct short run of rigid tubing for the least resistance to the machine and then buy some kind of 2' tube to plug into the ports on the machine. 1 run, no octopus, mostly smooth tubing.
Got it...Yes, the Shopsmith jointer is well built and a nice piece of machinery. I thought you were contemplating buying it versus a new jointer of any brand. It should do fine for you for edge jointing (or narrow face jointing). I do recommend the auxiliary fence upgrade from Shopsmith for this. That is what I have, though you can also make your own. Honestly I never use the featherboards mounted on the jointer auxiliary fence. I guess if you are edge jointing a narrow width board, or face jointing a narrow width board they could come in handy (just depends on what size lumber you are jointing). So, not sure how useful the featherboards are for the fence, but I do highly recommend the cutterhead guard and featherboard assembly. With a good set of sharp knives and an auxiliary fence it works well. Just know that if a longer board, say 6' long, is cupped it will take many passes to attempt to get a straight edge out of it and you may never achieve straight & true as the short bed means it can follow the contour of the cup. Make sense? Additional infeed/outfeed support can fix this though.

So, Shopsmith used to sell a 4" PVC 90° adapter that replaced the 3 port manifold (viewtopic.php?t=24342&start=10). I don't think they sold many and it would be a rare find if you did get one. I have taken my 3 port manifold off and done airflow testing with and without the 3 port manifold. That manifold is restrictive (even accounting for the difference in cross sectional area). So, if you don't need the ability to go to 3 different tools at once or to wheel the dust collector around to different tools then you can remove the 3 port manifold. You have to seal a bit to use 4" PVC with it, but it can be done. I did a trial run in my shop with it...I had plans to use my DC3300 with a short length of 4" PVC mounted on the wall and I was going to do ports I would close at each tool in my shop. Never got to this project and decided to move the DC3300 up into my garage attic. Long term thought is I will use it to attach to an overhead dust collection for the tablesaw like using a SharkGuard upper saw guard. Right now, I use the ShopVac™ and mini cyclone with my Mark V. IF you get serious with this, I would explore removing that 3 port manifold and consider a horizontal run of 4" PVC. So, all dust collector ductwork needs to try to maintain at least 4,000 fpm, but I think you can get by with as little as 3,000fpm. When the airspeed drops too low then dust starts to settle out, particularly in the horizontal runs which means an eventual clog in the middle of the pipe! :eek: Small sections of PVC aren't that expensive, so if you have the time, experiment with it and see what you get. I do believe you can make the DC3300 a half decent dust collector with converting to a 4" PVC inlet with not too long of a hard pipe run, but to really be useful you need a HEPA filter on it. Not trying to tell you what to do, just musings of how I have thought about making mine better along with some evidence based measurements I have done. Good luck. One last point is NOT all flexible hoses are created equal. I upgraded my hoses to ones from Oneida and they are MUCH better than my original black corrugated ones from Shopsmith. I had noticeably better airflow with the Oneida hoses.

Here is a video of a nice outfeed extension that NIck Engler did for the Shopsmith 4" jointer:

viewtopic.php?t=3127

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Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
Festool (Emerald): DF 500 Q | RO 150 FEQ | OF 1400 EQ | TS 55 REQ | CT 26 E
DC3300 | Shopvac w/ClearVue CV06 Mini Cyclone | JDS AirTech 2000 | Sundstrom PAPR | Dylos DC1100 Pro particulate monitor
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Re: Must-Have Shopsmith Upgrades List

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I been reading thru this thread about upgrades.

That made me want to search. :)

This is a Great Forum.

With this being said, I researched the tool post update.

I am New to the forum, So I did not want to revive an Old Thread.

I found these in the pictures below in an Old Thread so, :)
I Ordered them. These are some nice quick locks.


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1st Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V /Jan./1984
2nd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Mar./1984
3rd Shopsmith Machine= SS Mark V / Jan./1981
4th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) 50th anniversary
5th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V (510) Dec. 1996
6th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark VII (1963 ???)
7th Shopsmith Machine = SS Mark V / Nov. 1984 (Double Quill Bearings)
8th Shopsmith Machine = SS Greenie / 1956
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